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ANDI |
Posted: October 20, 2005 06:00 am
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Plutonier major Group: Members Posts: 332 Member No.: 674 Joined: September 19, 2005 |
Yes, Mihnea sorry. I meant m95.
I have also found barbed wire still elastic!!! It was a particular type that I have never seen before. The spikes are along a single, twisted, square section wire. I came across parts of rifle clips (steyr and mannlicher), very rusty though, lead shrapnell balls and a 7cm heavy piece of a shell. This is the base of a fuze (what's left of it). A screw cap from a m1915 german stick grenade. |
Cristian |
Posted: October 20, 2005 08:45 am
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Plutonier Group: Members Posts: 250 Member No.: 415 Joined: December 10, 2004 |
The cartridge designation is not mandatory given by the rifle model. The ammo for the romanian M1893 rifle , the 6,5x 54R Mannlicher is also known as
6,5 x 53,5 R Dutch Mannlicher M.1895 6,5 x 54 R 6,7 x 53 R 6,5 mm Dutch 6,5 mm Dutch Mannlicher 6,5 mm Mannlicher 6,5 mm Patrone 152 (h) 6,5 mm Romanian 6,5 mm Rottweil Rifle 6,5 mm Romanian Mannlicher 6,5 x 53 R Mannlicher 6,5 x 53 R Portuguese 6,5 x 53 R Portuguese Mannlicher 6,5 x 53 R Romanian 6,5 x 53 R Romanian Mannlicher 6,5 x 53,5 R Romanian Mannlicher 6,5 x 53,5 R Romanian 1893 6,5 x 53,5 R Mannlicher 1895 6,5 x 53,6 R Dutch Mannlicher 6,5 x 53,65 R Mannlicher 1893 6,5 x 53,65 R Portuguese 6,5 x 53,65 R Romanian 6,5 x 54 R Dutch Mannlicher 6,5 x 54 Romanian Mannlicher 6,55 Mauser (6,55 x 54 R Mauser (DWM 392A) 6,5 x 54 R Beaumont Mauser (DWM 392B) .256 Mannlicher Rimmed 6,5 x 53,5 R Romanian Mannlicher M.1893 DWM 392 392A...C 395C...( thank you, Ruy !) Beside that the 8x50R Steyr is know as 8 x 50 R Austrian Mannlicher Mod. 88, Mod. 88/93 and Mod. 93 / .320 SWIFT / 8mm Mannlicher / 8 mm Scharfe Gewehr Patrone 1888, 1890, 1893/ 8mm Österreichische Ordonnanz / 8x50 R Steyr Mannlicher / .500-.320 King's Norton High Velocity / DWM 358 / DWM 358B / DWM 358C / GR272 / GR460 |
ANDI |
Posted: October 20, 2005 08:58 am
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Plutonier major Group: Members Posts: 332 Member No.: 674 Joined: September 19, 2005 |
Two more pictures.
A steel scabbard for an austrian trench knife. The makers mark is still visible on one side. Is V&G from Vogel&Noot . And a interesting 30cm piece of a 8mm Steyr m95 rifle (or maybe m88). I say interesting becouse it seems to have been cut. There are some saw marks on it. My guess is that, at some point, the rifle was found by a local and in order to make it shorter (and easier to hide) cut it. |
ANDI |
Posted: October 20, 2005 09:09 am
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Plutonier major Group: Members Posts: 332 Member No.: 674 Joined: September 19, 2005 |
Just as a curiosity I was only looking for catridges with different makers. I was surprised to found a lot (at least for roumanian 6.5x53R).Different makers, different years (e.g. 1893,1895,1905,1912). Also for 8x50R austrian Steyr cartridges.
I have a detailed list and I will post it as soon as posibble. ANDI |
cipiamon |
Posted: October 20, 2005 02:02 pm
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Imagine what you can find whit a metal detector i would love to explore there whit my detecto'.
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ANDI |
Posted: October 20, 2005 06:17 pm
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Yeap, I would like to explore with a metal detector too, but I don't know where to find one, reasonably priced of course...
Say....where can I found one? As I was saying before I have seen on the 6.5x53mm cartridges a lot of makers. As: P.A.B., P.A.M. (I don't know their origin) and D.W.M. (Deutsche Waffen und Munitionsfabrik) and W (Wolff - Austria) On the 8x50mm steyr cartridges were visible makers like: W (as stated before) GR (Georg Roth- Wien) H (Hirtenberger Patronenfabrik) The Mauser cartridges had stamped: P (Polte - Magdeburg) S - ? I also found some rare Henry-Martini 11.43mm caliber cartridges. Paper patched lead bullets and black powder.... |
dragos |
Posted: October 20, 2005 06:35 pm
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I have seen the trenches at Vatra Dornei too, some 7-8 years ago when I went with my parents at a rest facility of MApN. The trenches were running right near the villa. But I don't know if there was any action there. |
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dragos03 |
Posted: October 20, 2005 06:38 pm
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I think the trenches in the area were made by the Russians during their battles with the Austro-Hungarian army.
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cipiamon |
Posted: October 20, 2005 09:08 pm
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A few months ago you could still buy it from Carrefour, i got mine for 700.000 lei. If you whant we can go scanning together, we will scan whit turns, after you find an object is my turn to scan, that way we can "clean" the fields. The only problem is that it should be no "gura casca" people hanging around there, be couse u know is not leagal to use the MD... |
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ANDI |
Posted: October 21, 2005 10:36 am
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Cristian |
Posted: October 21, 2005 04:15 pm
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See pictures at
http://www.detectomania.com |
mihnea |
Posted: October 23, 2005 06:55 am
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Why? It doesn’t seem logic. All that is in the ground belongs to the Romanian state? |
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Cristian |
Posted: October 23, 2005 08:13 am
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Read Art.8(1)
http://www.mnir.ro/lege/2001_378/378_02.htm |
mihnea |
Posted: October 23, 2005 09:56 am
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The law says nothing about battle fields.
A battle field isn’t an archeological site, so I think that it is ok to use the metal detector on the fields that are not close to archeological sites. |
Cristian |
Posted: October 23, 2005 10:59 am
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Plutonier Group: Members Posts: 250 Member No.: 415 Joined: December 10, 2004 |
Mihnea, you can not decide if a battlefield is it or not an archaeological site.But is obvious you did not read the whole text of the law (including penalties )
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