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feic7346 |
Posted: March 04, 2008 03:33 pm
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Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 59 Member No.: 1768 Joined: January 10, 2008 |
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guina |
Posted: March 04, 2008 03:42 pm
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Plutonier major Group: Members Posts: 339 Member No.: 1393 Joined: April 16, 2007 |
An extraordinary movie.A must for everyone that cares about truth.
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feic7346 |
Posted: March 04, 2008 06:38 pm
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Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 59 Member No.: 1768 Joined: January 10, 2008 |
Remeber the Polish officers committed no crimes against the Soviet Union. They had expressed views that did not envision a Communist future for Poland. For this you got a NKVD bullet in the back of your head. This is something the Americans and the Brits either never understood.
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guina |
Posted: March 04, 2008 11:10 pm
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Plutonier major Group: Members Posts: 339 Member No.: 1393 Joined: April 16, 2007 |
I'm not so sure they didnt understood but surely most of them did not see this event as a hurdle in pursuing their interests.
As W.Churchil said "The big powers have no friends but national interests" As for Katini itself,well,in 1937 there were daily Katins in the forests around Moscow. The realy frightening thing is that they seem to be returning to the old habits.Today, the most proeminent lawer in human rights,Resnik, was arested whithout any explication. |
guina |
Posted: March 04, 2008 11:39 pm
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Plutonier major Group: Members Posts: 339 Member No.: 1393 Joined: April 16, 2007 |
In case there are members not familiar with the masacre in Katini ( Katyn )forest:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre |
Imperialist |
Posted: March 05, 2008 09:20 am
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General de armata Group: Members Posts: 2399 Member No.: 499 Joined: February 09, 2005 |
What did katyn have do to with Romania's entry in the war?
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feic7346 |
Posted: March 05, 2008 12:16 pm
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Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 59 Member No.: 1768 Joined: January 10, 2008 |
<What did Katyn have to do with the entry of Romania in the war?>
The Soviets were perceived as evil pre-1941 in alot of Eastern European countries. The world did not even know of Katyn in 1941. Their attitudes towards the Soviets were proven right. History has proved that their attitudes were rightly held. |
Imperialist |
Posted: March 05, 2008 11:48 pm
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Perception of evil in an age of radio, newsreels and propaganda? However you may value that, it was certainly not why war started. Anyway the question was, if the Katyn event was not even known of back in 1941 as you say, what did it have to do with why Romania entered the war? Judging by your answer, none. You could just as well have picked any other case of soviet (war) crime, patch it to Axis propaganda of the time and conclude that the war of aggression was an attitude rightly held. -------------------- I
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Posted: March 06, 2008 03:26 am
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General de corp de armata Group: Retired Posts: 1512 Member No.: 1232 Joined: January 05, 2007 |
feic: "Why Romania entered war against Soviets"
I put myself the same Q as Imperialist above. What is the connection between Katyn and Romania's entering to war. I see no connection. Perhaps Romania entered war agaisnt Soviets because they took Bessarabia one year previously? |
feic7346 |
Posted: March 06, 2008 07:09 pm
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Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 59 Member No.: 1768 Joined: January 10, 2008 |
1-Romania saw the Soviets as evil (rightly or wrongly in 1940)
2-on a viciousness scale of 1-10, the Katyn massacre was a 36; it was worse than Stalin killing Ukranian peasants which the world may or may not have known in 1940 3-Stalin wanted to spread communism in Europe and the world If all those 3 things are true then a reasonable person can conclude that any supporter of the Romanian state in 1940 could be threatened by the seizure of Bassarabia in 1940 and conclude that Soviet Russia was a danger to Romania. Ergo the war? Imperialist do you mean to imply that because the world did not know of Katyn in 1941 it had no right to perceive Soviet Russia as a danger to their institutions and way of life? |
Imperialist |
Posted: March 07, 2008 12:32 am
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I mean to say I don't understand what the point is. Romania eventually fought against USSR, Germany and even the US. All of these, including Romania, committed atrocities. You can pick any of them, pick an atrocity, patch it to the propaganda of the time and you have a case. What's the use exactly? -------------------- I
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feic7346 |
Posted: March 07, 2008 04:53 pm
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Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 59 Member No.: 1768 Joined: January 10, 2008 |
Imperialist:
When you answer like that you sound like the typical Soviet apologist. Lumping Katyn with alot of other massacres is not doing justice to the evil that it was. |
Imperialist |
Posted: March 07, 2008 06:53 pm
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General de armata Group: Members Posts: 2399 Member No.: 499 Joined: February 09, 2005 |
Picking Katyn in an effort to justify Operation Barbarossa doesn't do justice to the war atrocities committed during that Operation either! And think again, what I said: All of these, including Romania, committed atrocities. You can pick any of them, pick an atrocity, patch it to the propaganda of the time and you have a case. What's the use exactly? is far from Soviet apologetics. -------------------- I
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dragos |
Posted: March 08, 2008 12:59 am
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feic, although the Romanians were aware of the dangers of bolshevism, Russians being not very popular in the view of inter-war Romanian people and Soviet crimes took place as soon as Bessarabia came upon their administration (see my post here http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?sh...findpost&p=4813) Romania did not enter the war on ideological basis. The primary reason was to return the lands taken by the Soviet ultimatum in 1940.
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feic7346 |
Posted: March 10, 2008 08:54 pm
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Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 59 Member No.: 1768 Joined: January 10, 2008 |
The Romanians did not commit Katyn style atrocities! You are, in typical Russian, style trying to conceal Katyn in a greater pool of ALL atrocities committed during WW2. That is EXACTLY what the Soviets did after the war. Are you Russian or a former Romanian communist? Level with us?
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