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Posted: February 10, 2004 01:55 pm
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What were the weapons used by the Romanian Army in WW1? I know that Romania used 1892 and 1893 Mannlicher rifles and carbines in 6.5mmX 53 rimmed caliber. But, I have no idea what pistols , and machine guns were used by the Romanian Army.
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Posted: February 13, 2004 06:12 pm
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Steyer 8mm 1912 revolver
Maxim mg
Schwastzlose 8mm???
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Posted: February 16, 2004 01:48 pm
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C-2, I have done some research on the Steyr M1912. The caliber is 9mmSteyr which is somewhat more powerful than the 9mm parabellum(Luger). It loads from a stripper clip similar to the Mauser C-96. It is a very reliable weapon and gave excellent service in the field. Romania ordered some 25,000 pistols for use in WW1. The Germans converted a number of these fine pistols to 9mm Parabellum and used them in WW2. Garry Owen!
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Posted: February 16, 2004 02:25 pm
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The Steyr was still in use in the Romanian army during WW2, as the sidearm of the LMG-gunner
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Posted: February 16, 2004 02:28 pm
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This tank commander has a Steyr

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Posted: February 16, 2004 03:31 pm
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Victor, Thanks for that information, I have a firearms dealer looking for a Steyr M1912 for me. I hope to add one to my collection soon. Dragos, what a great picture, fantastic shot of the Steyr!!! Garry Owen!!!!!!
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Posted: February 16, 2004 05:59 pm
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Hotchkiss 8mm M1914 machinegun was also used.
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Posted: February 16, 2004 06:01 pm
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[quote]Victor, Thanks for that information, I have a firearms dealer looking for a Steyr M1912 for me. I hope to add one to my collection soon. Dragos, what a great picture, fantastic shot of the Steyr!!! Garry Owen!!!!!![/quote]

The photo is from a Signal magazine.
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Carol I
Posted: February 20, 2004 10:08 am
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According to an old source, the artillery used 1908 Krupp 75 mm guns, 105 mm howitzers and 155 mm Schneider howitzers.
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Posted: May 11, 2004 09:26 am
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I find this informations in "Istoria infanteriei romane" [The history of romanian infantry]vol. 2, Ed Stiintifica si Enciclopedica, Bucuresti 1985:

At the begginig of WW1 the main rifle of romanian infantry was Mannlicher md 1893 cal 6.5 mm (373 936 pieces) with an effective range of 600 m, practical rate of fire- 8 - 10 rpm, 6.5 kg weight. The majority of them was manufactured in Austria by Steyr. This rifle was called as "romanian system" becouse of changes wich make it different than the other Mannlicker rifles.

In summer of 1916 the romanian army was in possesion of only 574 machine guns - Maxim cal 6.5 mm md 1910 and only (161 was fixed MGs into fortificated positions - so only 413 MGs suitables for normal combat actions) 100 000 grenades Savopol wich didn t worked very well durring the 1916 campaing.

So, a romanian infantry battalion was equiped only with 1 or 2 MG - and a german one, in the same year was equiped with 6 - 8 MG, around 12 LMG s, 4 mine throwers and enough grenades ...

In winter of '916 - '917 the romanian army received from France 262 000 Lebel rifles cal 8 mm, (wich equiped 1th Army divisions and 1st, 3th and 12th divisions from 2nd romanian army), 1760 St. Etienne and Hotchkiss MGs, 2 628 LMG, 1 300 000 grenades / and from UK, 197 Vickers MGs and 108 LMGs.

I have no ideea about the caracteristics of Lebel rifles, St. Etienne MG, I don t know what types of LMG was recived ... I
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Posted: November 16, 2004 12:30 am
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Even the Italians used 6.5 calibre rifles, in both world wars, the Mannlicher Carcano 91, an italian design (Carcano) with the austrian Mannlicher type loading system.
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Posted: December 10, 2004 09:56 am
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Regarding pistols used by romanians during WW1 ,beside Steyr 1912 (the romanian one can be easy recognised by the royal crest on the left side of the slide),there are some revolvers provided by the French: St.etienne revolver Md.1892 and Pieper Bayard Md.1915 both 8mm Armee caliber ,and a spanish copy of the top break open S&W revolver in .380 caliber.A spread of calibers wich is a curse for a regular army(logisticaly )
The 1893 Romanian Mannlicher rifle was not the only.The stright pull 1895 Mannlicher version in 8mm cal was used too,along with the Lebel 1892 and the Berthiez mod.1907/15 (both in 8mm Lebel)
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Ruy Aballe
Posted: December 10, 2004 02:56 pm
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The Berthier and Lebel rifles were provided by the French but the straight-pull Mannlicher 1895 in the 8x56 rimmed round must have been captured (the M.95's were the main K.u.K. rifles and carbines)... Or were they instead bought before the war?

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Posted: December 18, 2004 10:36 am
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You are right.Huge quantities of stright pull Mannlichers were captured from hungarians and distributed to romanian soldiers
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This one is a single action .22 caliber, single-action revolver circa 1860-1870, probably French showing no proof stamps or other markings

Prototype: possibly unique 30-shot (20+10), caliber .22, single-action revolver circa 1860 - 1870, probably French showing no proof stamps or other markings, 7 overall with two superposed round barrels which are half round and half octagon, the top barrel being ribbed with fixed front sight. The action is external and the cylinder is operated single action. The fluted cylinder has two rows of chambers; the outer of 20, the inner of 10. The hand and gears are located on the outside of right and left side of frame.... We would guess this revolver to be a prototype as it was too complicated; probably a design or patent model....


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