LOOK AT THAT ARMORED COLUMN WITH SdKfz 251 TOO ! :shock:
(edit: these are the photos I mentioned earlier, from http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/romania/romania-tanks.html)
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| Posted by: Defender of Aiur October 24, 2003 02:28 am |
| I haven't seen one yet (except the ones at http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/romania/romania-tanks.html, but those are very small and low quality). Perhaps some of you could share one or two good photos ? :?:
LOOK AT THAT ARMORED COLUMN WITH SdKfz 251 TOO ! :shock: (edit: these are the photos I mentioned earlier, from http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/romania/romania-tanks.html) |
| Posted by: dragos October 24, 2003 10:54 am |
| I believe the armored column is German. |
| Posted by: MaxFax May 02, 2005 04:07 pm |
| I would like to reopen this quite forgotten topic. Even on the worldwar2.ro website there are NO photos with Romanian Stug III !! Are there SO rare ?! Just a 3D color profile, taken I think form Modelism Int. magazine. http://www.worldwar2.ro/foto/?id=64§ion=19&article=243 Is this profile correct ?! I mean color and Zimmerit ?! |
| Posted by: mihai May 14, 2005 12:30 pm |
| No,4 photos is German Stug with Rumanianoffices,I have a copy from Bundesarchiv,Koblenz,Germany. Mihai |
| Posted by: MaxFax May 14, 2005 03:37 pm | ||
Great !! Could you share it with us ?! I supose the quality is much better as these photos here ... |
| Posted by: sid guttridge May 28, 2005 10:14 am |
| Hi Guys, The second photo, with a number "4" at the top left, showing Romanian infantry on a StuG.III, is actually of a German vehicle. I have seen it in an old Squadron/Signal book on the StuG.III. In that publication one can see more clearly that the central figure standing in a hatch (presumably the vehicle commander) is German. Cheers, Sid. |
| Posted by: nox August 11, 2005 07:35 am |
  some informations: "At least 120 German StuG III assault guns were included in arms shipments scheduled for delivery to Romania between November 1943 and September 1944, of which 108 appear to have been received. In Romanian service these vehicles carried the designation TA, ten operating with the ad hoc Cantemir Armoured Group as early as February 1944 and later with the reconstituted 1st Armoured Division. By the summer of 1944 this formation had some twenty-two TA's in service plus another sixteen in transit from training elements attached to the German 20th Panzer Division. Seven more TA's, with more in transit, had been received by the Romanian 8th Cavalry Division which was in the process of reforming into the 2nd Armoured Division. Fighting against Soviet forces in the summer of 1944 cost the Romanians a number of these TA's, while most or all of those in transit were confiscated by the Germans following the Armistice of 23rd August 1944. TA's served with Romanian forces during the liberation campaign against German and Hungarian forces following the Armistice, with ten providing the backbone of the Niculescu Armoured Detachment formed from the 1st Armoured Division's training depot. Subsequent fighting in northern Transylvania, Hungary, Czechoslovakia and Austria resulted in the loss of nearly all TA's in Romanian service despite reinforcements of a handful of captured StuG III's received from the Soviet Army at this time. With recovery and salvage efforts conducted at the end of the war, thirty-one TA's returned to Romanian strength to serve into the postwar era." New pictures and infos are always welcomed! I'm looking for a bookshop where I could buy "Armata Romana 1941-1945", RAI, Bucharest 1996" as Pascal |
| Posted by: dragos August 11, 2005 10:59 am |
| The US Tank Battles in Germany 1944-45 by Concord Publications makes the same mistake as another foreign publication on the painting schemes of Romanian armor during the anti-Axis campaign, as discussed here: http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=2058. The star painted inside the white circle is khaki, not red. |
| Posted by: nox August 11, 2005 11:14 am |
Yes, but Concord Publications have pictures. I would like to make an R2 in 1945 with markings, but I'm looking again a picture  I hope that one day a romanian publisher will do a book on romanian afv with pictures.  |
| Posted by: nox September 26, 2005 08:12 am |
 german stug with rumanian crew |
| Posted by: sid guttridge September 26, 2005 12:46 pm |
| Hi Nox, Many of the PzKpfw.IV tanks and Stug.III self propelled guns supplied to Romania in 1944 were apparently second-hand German vehicles handed over by German divisions in the theatre. This might explain the German marking. Cheers, Sid. |
| Posted by: Victor September 26, 2005 01:56 pm |
| nox, please don't forget to mention sources for the photo. |
| Posted by: nox September 26, 2005 03:42 pm |
I always put the source on the photograph  the picture come from Motorbuch Sturmgeshuetze Entwicklung und Fertigung der s Pak p231  |
| Posted by: nox November 22, 2005 01:15 pm |
| new picture again source tankomaster   thanks to my friend Vasily  |
| Posted by: Cantacuzino November 22, 2005 02:26 pm | ||
Good job to find it. |
| Posted by: nox January 20, 2006 09:06 am |
| stug come from http://www.profils.tk photo evidence concord 7046  |
| Posted by: Cantacuzino January 20, 2006 11:07 am | ||
Hi nox, Do you know if the emblem (from the picture) used on this Stug is from a german unit ? I would like to add this to the color profile. http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: nox January 25, 2006 07:32 am |
| from ebay Stug 3 from Sturmgeschützbrigade 191 The picture was taken the 23.05.1943 during a visit of a Rumanian officer. Perhaps a demonstration in prevision of the delivery.  |
| Posted by: Victor January 25, 2006 08:40 am |
| This was happening in Crimea in May 1943. The StuG was German, not Romanian and very likely it was not a demostration prior to delivery. |
| Posted by: nox January 25, 2006 09:07 am |
| I said "perhaps" for demonstration I knew this stug wasn't rumanian  "Stug 3 from Sturmgeschützbrigade 191" german unit!!!! The first deliveries were held in november 1943, 5-6 months after the picture |
| Posted by: MaxFax February 07, 2006 05:23 pm | ||
Indeed, the photo is taken from "Panzerjaeger in action" 1973 Squadron?Signal Pub. armor number 7, page 34. Here is a better copy of this photo .... http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: romrail March 19, 2006 10:37 pm |
| Because I'm new on this forum I want to saluta all its membres. Here's a picture with a Stug 40 and some romanian soldiers. Sadly the picture offers no clues about where and when it was made. The person who gave it to me said that it appears to be made in the suumer of 1944, in near Roman (in Moldavia).  |
| Posted by: MaxFax March 20, 2006 03:44 pm |
| Great photo romrail !! Could you take a closer look and tell us if there is Zimmerit on this Stug ?!  |
| Posted by: romrail March 20, 2006 06:29 pm |
| Yes the vehicle has Zimmerit coating. I find this rather puzzling because I'm not sure if romanian vehicles where coated with Zimmerit. The vehicle can also be actually from a german unit and only given to the romanians. |
| Posted by: mihnea March 20, 2006 07:24 pm |
| The vehicle wasn’t built specially for the Romanian army; it was built to German army specifications and captured by the Romanian army. Also many captured vehicles weren't even repainted just the markings were changed and then used in action. |
| Posted by: MaxFax March 20, 2006 07:52 pm | ||
Let's don't forget that : " Between November 1943 and August 1944 Germany delivered 108 Sturmgeschütz III Ausf G that were distributed to the 1st Armoured Division, the 8th Motorised Cavalry Division and the Armoured Detachment of the 4th Army" We can't know for sure if the Stug from the picture is a captured one, or a loaned one, or if it's "a Romanian" one .... |
| Posted by: mihnea March 20, 2006 09:25 pm |
| I know but the vehicles recived were "standard" without any modifications or improvements as it was the case with the prewar armor bought from the Czech. And some of the 108 Stug III given by the Germans were used vehicles, also the lack of a special designation proves that they were without any modifications. Probably some had Zimmerit and others hadn’t, being different models. All vehicles made between September 1943 and September 1944 had Zimmerit applied also the vehicle from the picture has the cast gun mantle (Topfblende) so it is made after November 1943. I doubt that the picture was taken in Moldavia because the vehicle has no markings, it's missing the Schurzen and it looks banged up. |