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| Posted by: Cantacuzino December 16, 2011 08:30 am |
| Anyone had more details about this school. As you can see in the picture it looks like a german panzer school in a romanian unit called "Cazarma Marasti". Could be the one from Mihai Bravu ( Dadilov) or unknown school in the Marasti village? Source e-bay http://www.ebay.de/itm/ORIG-PHOTO-PANZER-LEHR-ABTEILUNG-RUMANIEN-DEUTSCH-2-WK-/360418120754?pt=Militaria&hash=item53ea981432 http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/840/panzerschoolromania.jpg/ Uploaded with http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: C-2 December 16, 2011 09:16 am |
| I asked Mr Cojocea about the photo. He said "no way". It must be in propaganga purpose. In Marasti village there was nothing and in Dadilov there was an training camp. A tank school in Romania existed only after the war. I'll show him the photo next week. |
| Posted by: Cantacuzino December 16, 2011 10:50 am | ||
Ok, posible propaganda but with what purpose. And the name "Marasti" could be a simbolic name for the unit ( not necesary a location) Could be more units with names like Marasti, Marasesti, Oituz ( from WW1 renown battles place) We know that a romanian tank school will be after the war established at Roman. But a german one in 41-44 in Romania ? |
| Posted by: Dénes December 16, 2011 12:29 pm |
| I have another photo of the same gate, with the same title. I don't believe it's a propaganda (i.e., fake) photo. Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: Cantacuzino December 16, 2011 12:35 pm | ||
What is strange in the picture, is the expensive but beautifull construction of the gate compared to cheap and ugly wood fences of the unit. |
| Posted by: C-2 December 16, 2011 06:35 pm |
| Cojocea is to the tanks what Dicesare and Dobran are to the ARR. All togheter I mean... I'll show him the photo,but if there was such a school he'd know by sure. About the fence;I never saw an important military unit with such a lausy one. |
| Posted by: Alexei2102 December 16, 2011 07:43 pm | ||
Everybody can be wrong, even Cojocea. Check out the link, and see for yourself. http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/Panzerdivisionen/13PD.htm |
| Posted by: dragos December 16, 2011 07:45 pm | ||||
When recruits were driving the tank into the fence, it should have been be the most inexpensive one and easy to replace.  |
| Posted by: C-2 December 16, 2011 09:04 pm | ||||
My German is not good enought . Can you write in a few words the content? |
| Posted by: muggs December 16, 2011 09:09 pm | ||
Looks like the the actual location is Targoviste, here's a post detailing a picture taken in the same location ( photo is offline )
Targoviste is covered by norc street view so if someone is familiar with the city and recognizes the gate we can see in what shape it is now ( if it survived ) |
| Posted by: ANDREAS December 17, 2011 12:13 pm | ||
@C-2
The text said : First Commitment and subordination: The 13th Panzer Division was established on 11 October 1940. The division was created as a training unit from the 13th Infantry Division (Motorized), for use as training unit in Romania. From the table it seems that this division stationed in Romania from november 1940 till january 1941 (maybe even more!). From 28 September 1940 the Panzer-Regiment 4 was under the 13th Panzer Division command, and was on 2 November 1940 as a teaching-tank regiment nr. 4 moved to Romania. |
| Posted by: C-2 December 17, 2011 02:03 pm |
| So it was something temporary. |
| Posted by: MMM December 17, 2011 05:46 pm |
| There already were some discussions about these German units in Romania: http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=5048&view=findpost&p=69123 |
| Posted by: dragos December 17, 2011 06:13 pm | ||
Until the start of Barbarossa, when the unit was integrated in XXXXVIII. Armeekorps / Panzergruppe 1 / Heeresgruppe Sud |
| Posted by: Taz1 December 22, 2011 09:36 pm |
| So , mister Cojocea is still alive that,s a very good news and a real privilege . Wish I can meet him. |
| Posted by: MMM December 23, 2011 08:00 am |
| More about 13-th Panzer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_Panzer_Division_(Wehrmacht) Or... http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=1286 |
| Posted by: Cantacuzino December 27, 2011 04:25 pm |
| Unfortunetly the gate didn't survived. I was at Targoviste to check it The garrison it's still there ( called now "Petru Cercel) but there are a lot of new building and only few old barracks remains. An old guy who made the army there ( around 1970) remember the gate was still there. The place is called Teis. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/718/petrucercel.jpg/ Uploaded with http://imageshack.us[QUOTE] |
| Posted by: ANDREAS December 27, 2011 07:44 pm |
| If it's not just a coincidence of names, then the barracks were later used by Soviet tank units (in the '50s) and then romanian (from the '60s)! |
| Posted by: Florin December 29, 2011 01:52 am | ||
In the 1930's, there was the collaboration with Czechoslovakia to obtain Czech tanks. Were the Romanian crews supposed to travel to Czechoslovakia for training? What about the few tanks we had in the 1920's? Were those crews trained in France? Should I understand that all Romanian crews fighting on the Eastern Front traveled to Germany for training? |
| Posted by: Florin December 29, 2011 01:56 am | ||
This seems to prove Dragos and his theory: "recruits driving"  |
| Posted by: Victor December 29, 2011 11:32 am | ||||
No, of course not. There was a tank and motorized vehicles school (CIMM), but IIRC the Soviets disbanded it with the rest of the 1st Armored Division and a large part of the Army in November 1944. |
| Posted by: Cantacuzino June 07, 2012 06:48 am |
| Foto e-bay with Targoviste - Panzer Kaserne http://www.ebay.de/itm/FOTO-TARGOVISTE-RUMANIEN-Russ-BEUTE-PANZER-RUMANISCHER-OFFIZIER-/320917008349?pt=Militaria&hash=item4ab824efdd |