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| Posted by: sid guttridge June 04, 2005 08:50 am |
| About six or eight years ago I saw a Czech military modelling magazine (called HPM?) which contained an article on Romanian armour in Moravia in 1945. It included a good number of photographs of knocked out Romanian tanks and self propelled guns destroyed in the last weeks of the war. Does anyone know this magazine and which edition of it this article appeared in? Many thanks, Sid. |
| Posted by: Dani September 02, 2005 06:06 pm |
| http://www.aero.com/publications/magazine.htm#H http://www.armybook.com/summary.html?code=0304019bi2 http://aeroflt.users.netlink.co.uk/mags/czech/pics/hmm0203.jpg Direct link to HPM not found yet |
| Posted by: nox September 03, 2005 06:14 am |
| thanks Dani I'm looking for where I could find this article, I'm working on it! We can find this mag http://www.mpmshop.cz/katlist.asp?id=289&styl=katalog&akt=337827 but nothing before 2000 Be patient Sid |
| Posted by: Ruy Aballe September 03, 2005 11:49 am |
| Sid, I have almost all issues of HPM. I can look for the article you need. Do you have more details? Was it part of a larger scope article or was it just about Romanian armour in Moravia in 1945? Cheers, Ruy |
| Posted by: nox September 04, 2005 02:08 pm |
Wouaouh, you are very lucky! Lots of interesting subjects, as last fighting in 1945!  I have only sept 2004, and some pictures scanned. Just a question! HPM have an email? Index of number?  |
| Posted by: sid guttridge September 05, 2005 09:47 am |
| Hi Ruy, I think I was in Prague in about 1997. The article would have been at about that time or earlier. I think the article was specifically devoted to Romanian armour in Moravia in the last weeks of the war. I can remember a several photos of knocked out Romanian armoured vehicles all of them painted with large red stars. I haven't seen HPM since then, but I thought it was exceptionally good in the mid 1990s. Cheers, Sid. |
| Posted by: Dani September 05, 2005 10:28 am | ||
Hi sid Are you quite sure about the large red stars? Cheers, Dani |
| Posted by: sid guttridge September 05, 2005 11:17 am |
| Hi Dani, Good point. No, I cannot be sure they were red from black and white photos. Cheers, Sid. |
| Posted by: Ruy Aballe September 05, 2005 11:34 am | ||
Yes, they published one back in 1999 - on issue 9/1999. Unfortunately, since then they didn't published any new one. Maybe they will do so during the current year. Ruy |
| Posted by: Ruy Aballe September 05, 2005 11:41 am | ||
Hi Sid, You are right. HPM was very good back then and it still is. The latest issues have a different layout and a much better paper. And also colour profiles scattered throughout the magazine (and not just in front and end pages, and the typical interior central, colour pages printed in glossier paper). Thanks for giving me a closer indication. 1997, then? I will check it again; I cannot recall - visually, I mean - the article with the photos you mention, but with the general index of all HPM issues published up to September, 1999, finding it should be easy. I will take a look at the list when I'm back at home. Cheers, Ruy P.S.: I will post also a list of all Romanian interest articles published up to issue 9/1999!  |
| Posted by: Victor September 05, 2005 11:47 am | ||
They were kaki. |
| Posted by: Cantacuzino September 05, 2005 01:59 pm | ||
Or more exactly the overall color of the tank ( usually khaky or olive green and possible grey) |
| Posted by: nox September 07, 2005 04:53 am |
| I asked to someone who write for this publication. He said "But if I am correctly informed a new "Romanian" article is prepared for HPM soon to be published" Cool "That magazine unfortunatelly have not it's website yet."  |
| Posted by: Gerry September 18, 2005 06:20 pm | ||
Yes, they have ! Try this : redakce@hapm.cz Good hunting ! Gerry |
| Posted by: Dani September 19, 2005 04:31 am |
| janovsky@hapm.cz |
| Posted by: Ruy Aballe September 21, 2005 03:06 pm |
| Hi again, Sorry for this late reply Sid. Unfortunately, I couldn't find the article you mention, not only in the general index, but also in the magazines - I searched it for a good while and nothing...  Are you sure the magazine was HPM? I found a short feature on the Maresal tank destroyer, with a couple of photographs and a rough plan (HPM 5/1998 - "Rumunský stíhač tanků Maresal M-05"); no article on Romanian armour in Moravia in the last days of the war, however. Maybe the photos were included in some other article... Cheers, Ruy |
| Posted by: sid guttridge September 21, 2005 04:53 pm |
| Hi Ruy, I am 99% certain it was in HPM, because it was the only Czech modelling magazine I came across. I will have to do some more research myself. Cheers, Sid. |
| Posted by: Ruy Aballe September 21, 2005 06:28 pm |
| Hi Sid, I will do a search in magazines, issue by issue. I will do this at a table, instead of standing by the book-shelf. Cheers, Ruy |
| Posted by: sid guttridge September 21, 2005 07:15 pm |
| Hi Ruy, Cheers. I do not think it can have been later than 1997, when I was in Prague. Many thanks, Sid. |
| Posted by: nox September 22, 2005 05:27 am |
| an index 1990-98 http://www.volny.cz/air.lz/HTML/hpm90-98.htm    |
| Posted by: sid guttridge September 22, 2005 07:03 am |
| Hi Nox, Many thanks. The link covers exactly the period I am talking about. I have worked through the list systematically twice, but still can't find the article. Maybe I am hallucinating, but I am sure such an article exists. I will keep digging. Cheers, Sid. |
| Posted by: Ruy Aballe September 22, 2005 09:25 am |
| Hi Sid, I cannot find the article either. And I didn't look at the index again - I took a close look (twice) at all HPM issues published until January 1998. Strangely, I also recall having seen some photos like the ones you described and something (can't tell whether it was a complete article or just some info scattered along other pieces...) on Romanian armour, but possibly not in HPM... Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me. Other Czech magazines from the same period (say, early to late 1990's) were mostly aviation-oriented, like, for instance, the defunct APKR. Anyway, there was also a bi-monthly Polish magazine on military history subjects, "Militaria" (not to be confused with "Militaria XX wieku", currently published by Kagero) with a very high quality, where armour articles could also be found. This periodical also ceased to be published after not too many issues... It was available in some Czech hobby shops in 1996 (I bought one issue in Brno). Ruy |
| Posted by: nox September 22, 2005 09:46 am |
| from an email that I received "that article you mentioned was published in HPM No.7/1998. There are pictures of destroyed rumanian Pz IV, soviet Stuarts and SU-76M as well there. It is the first article from a serie of articles on fights in southern Moravia in April 1945, i.e. advance of the Soviet 2nd Ukrainian Front. Next articles from that serie are in 10/1998, 10/2000, 8/2001, 12/2002 (destroyed Soviet Valentine for example), 1/2003, 2/2003 (wreckages of Soviet Shermen) and 3/2003. " There are article on TACAM T60 in 10/2000, on rumanian afv in 11/98.  I have just the index 1990-12/2004 : from an another email "By the way in HPM no. 10/05 will start the first part of an article about the Romanian army in Moravia during the 1945 campaign" I would like to see the pictures if you could. Monday, I will post a new picture of stug with rumanian tankers. |
| Posted by: sid guttridge September 22, 2005 10:10 am |
| Hi Nox, Thank you very much, especially for proving that I am not completely mad! I will now try to get a copy. I thought HPM was an excellent publication and it is good to see that it has survived. Cheers, Sid. |
| Posted by: Ruy Aballe September 22, 2005 04:59 pm |
| Hi Sid and Nox, Well, you were right, Sid; I wasn't much careful when I searched the article - maybe because I was looking for a feature on Romanian armour. I didn't saw the colour profiles printed in the glossy paper, on the back of the cover!! Thanks Nox, for clarifying the issue! The article title is "Boj o «pevnost» Brno"; the author is Vlastimil Schildberger. It contains the following photos: a M3 and a SU-76 destroyed in Lanzhot, two photos of Soviet 122 howitzers M 1938 firing against German positions, two shots of US-made M-16 AA mount on half-tracks; there's also a photo of a destroyed Romanian Pz.IV Ausf.J. The profiles include a Romanian R-35, re-fitted with a Soviet 45mm gun (the red start should be khaki green instead (they corrected this in a later issue, published in 2004) and a rather dull depiction of the destroyed Pz. IV. By the way, the feature published in the issue 11/1998 is a generic, two page article, completed with both b&w(6) and colour photos (5), on the Military Museum in Bucharest: "Rumunské Národni vojenské muzeum", by Jiří Rajlich. Cheers, Ruy P.S.: If anyone is interested, I can provide scans of the article by Mr. Schildberger. |
| Posted by: Victor September 22, 2005 05:18 pm |
| Any number on that Pz IV ? |
| Posted by: nox September 22, 2005 05:49 pm |
| Yes, you will be great Ruy. I would like to have scans of of the article by Mr. Schildberger, and "Rumunské Národni vojenské muzeum" Thanks a lot No photos of R2, R35.....??? I send my email adress on your mailbox |
| Posted by: Ruy Aballe September 22, 2005 07:56 pm |
| Hello again, Victor - unfortunately, no number is visible in the photo of the destroyed Pz. IV. The only distinctive marking is the star on a white circle. The profile inspired by the photo shows a one colour camouflage scheme, as per the then usual German practice of applying dark yellow (dunkelgelb as base, uniform colour for all vehicles; reddish brown and dark green were supposed to be applied over, but in some cases this rule wasn't followed due to paint shortages. However, and given the state of the tank in the photo (with traces of fire), maybe other colour were used, who knows?... Nox - very well then. I will contact you via PM! Ruy |