can someone help me identify what is to be seen in this photo?
I mean it is obviously a burial, but where is it, who are the officers, and what is the history of it??
I scanned the backside as well but can not read the writing...
Michael
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| Posted by: mic December 06, 2011 10:19 pm |
| Hello everyone, can someone help me identify what is to be seen in this photo? I mean it is obviously a burial, but where is it, who are the officers, and what is the history of it?? I scanned the backside as well but can not read the writing... Michael |
| Posted by: ionionescu December 06, 2011 10:58 pm | ||
I can help you with the translation. ---------------------------------------- 25 IV 1941/ ?????/ Înmormântarea celor 16 parașutiști germani. 25 IV 1941/ ?????/ The funeral of the 16 German paratroopers. ---------------------------------------- Regards! |
| Posted by: 21 inf December 06, 2011 11:04 pm |
| The funeral was at Orastie, Hunedoara county? |
| Posted by: mic December 06, 2011 11:13 pm | ||||
Thank you very much, Ion!  |
| Posted by: mic December 06, 2011 11:17 pm | ||
You think, the single word in the middle is "Orastie"? Hmm, how would german paras come to death within Romania at that time? |
| Posted by: ionionescu December 06, 2011 11:59 pm | ||||
@mic, I think 21 inf is right, the name is Orăștie.
Maybe a plane crash? |
| Posted by: Cantacuzino December 07, 2011 06:53 am | ||||
I saw somewhere pictures with a crash wreck of a german Ju 52 in the area ( Hunedoara county ) from the same year. It could be the victims from that crash. |
| Posted by: cainele_franctiror December 07, 2011 05:42 pm |
| From my new book that I intend to publish in January În timpul acestor lupte pentru Balcani, pe teritoriul României a avut loc o teribilă tragedie aeriană care astăzi este total necunoscută. În ziua de 21 aprilie, „un avion Junkers care transporta 18 paraşutişti germani a intrat într-un nor cumulus de furtună, pe deasupra munţilor Apuseni, în timp ce naviga la altitudinea de 2.800 m. Din cauza aceasta, avionul s-a rupt şi a căzut în apropierea comunei Brad” . Doar doi paraşutişti s-au putut salva şi, din relatările lor, s-a desprins concluzia că cei 18 paraşutişti, „deşi aveau paraşutele cu ei, nu erau legaţi de avion. Acest lucru constituie o procedare anormală, deoarece prima grijă trebuie să fie legarea sforilor de siguranţă de cablul comun din carlinga avionului. Cei doi soldaţi care s-au salvat au descris eforturile disperate pe care le-au făcut pentru a trage cu mâna sforile de siguranţă pentru a provoca deschiderea paraşutei. Unul a căzut aproximativ 2.000 m, iar celălalt 2.500 m până au reuşit să deschidă paraşutele. În timpul căderei avionului, au mai fost aruncaţi [afară] încă 12 soldaţi; aceştia nu au putut să acţioneze însă deschiderea paraşutei şi au murit. Cauzele care au provocat această cumplită nenorocire par a fi următoarele: a) Trecerea bruscă de la zbor normal la fierberea din interiorul unui nor Cumulus de furtună a dezorientat întreg personalul din cauza evoluţiunilor nefireşti la care este supus avionul. De aceea, loviţi de toţi pereţii avionului, soldaţii nu au mai putut reacţiona imediat pentru a-şi pregăti paraşuta înainte de lansare. (...) B ) Nelegarea sforilor de siguranţă pentru deschiderea automată care ar fi permis salvarea a 14 dintre cei 18 paraşutişti” . Cum la Bucureşti, Statul Major al Aerului tocmai pregătea înfiinţarea primei subunităţi de paraşutişti români , a luat nefericita întâmplare ca pe un important studiu de caz. |
| Posted by: cainele_franctiror December 07, 2011 06:18 pm |
| Sorry, I am not so good in english to translate... And, the german soldier without the helmet could be one of the two survivors... |
| Posted by: ionionescu December 07, 2011 06:45 pm |
| @cainele_franctiror, excellent work! Looking forward to buy the book! |
| Posted by: cainele_franctiror December 07, 2011 08:36 pm |
| Thank you IonIonescu It's a book about 7th Fighter Group during ww2, but in every chapter I have two or three short stories about bombers, paratroopers or AA crews, like this one. Anyway, I wonder what was their mission. Maybe they were just moved near front and they should landind on an aerodrome somewhere in Greece... |
| Posted by: cainele_franctiror December 07, 2011 08:38 pm |
| And another question: are they still burried in Orastie? And what about the pilots? They also died... |
| Posted by: Dénes December 08, 2011 08:17 am |
| I cheched my Luftwaffe losses database, but could not find this particular incident. However, interestingly, for the same day it is listed a Ju 52 lost at Otopeni! The following is given as reason for the crash: "Crew killed in crash due to pilot error." Unfortunately, only one name is given, that of Fw. Werner. Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: cainele_franctiror December 08, 2011 03:01 pm |
| Thank you Denes. In time, other info will be available, I am sure of that |
| Posted by: cainele_franctiror December 08, 2011 03:05 pm |
| Mr Administrator, could you, please, remove the smiling yelow monkey with sunglasses from my text? In the original text I posted was a footnote. |
| Posted by: mic December 11, 2011 12:24 pm | ||
Hi, are you interesetd to use the photo in that book? I could give you a scan in better resolution. Michael |
| Posted by: mic December 11, 2011 12:26 pm |
thank you very much to all those who helped in identifying the photo and enlightening its history. It had always a mystery to me. Michael |
| Posted by: cainele_franctiror December 16, 2011 05:17 pm |
| Thank you, mic, i sent you a PM |
| Posted by: hcm February 25, 2013 10:18 pm | ||
hello, I am interested in this topic. I can say with certainty that soldiers remember in previous posts buried in Orastie personally saw their graves. Today the site is a memorial tombs engraved names. Also I'm interested in any information about this topic: reports, documents, images, articles, books, etc.. said something about a book, is appeared? I'm interested. I look forward thanks |
| Posted by: cainele_franctiror February 26, 2013 12:33 pm |
| The book is on the market, but there is nothing else inside of it about the plane crush that is posted here. |
| Posted by: hcm February 26, 2013 07:58 pm | ||
I understand, but can you help me with some information about Cleaned tale? source where you found about the event, any pictures or references ... |
| Posted by: cainele_franctiror February 26, 2013 09:00 pm |
| I did not find the accident report, only a report of a Romanian colonel (or major?) who ask a survivor what happened... But there is nothing there about the place of the crush (with details, map etc) |
| Posted by: hcm February 26, 2013 09:21 pm | ||
understand. I am interested in the subject in a while, I just temporarily abandoned by lack of resources. By 2004 I talked to a witness at funeral pilots, I saw some pictures of their graves, and they've seen personally present were wooden crosses were replaced with a marble on that are past their behalf. Can you tell me where exactly you story about the incident? who is the officer who told about the incident? We discuss the PM |