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Posted by: C-2 April 18, 2010 10:15 am |
I expect all guys involved to post a coment. I just red an article in a local newspaper. Only in ROM. Mania...... http://www.adevarul.ro/locale/bucuresti/Muzeul_Aviatiei-temelie_pentru_cartier_ANL_0_245375821.html |
Posted by: horia April 18, 2010 04:29 pm |
http://romanian-spotters.forumer.ro/discutii-generale-f16/atentat-la-cultura-adica-la-muzeul-aviatiei-bucuresti-t3878.htm |
Posted by: Hadrian April 18, 2010 06:50 pm |
I just read the news and wanted to post myself. Other collegues were faster. This is a bad news. Can we start a petition or something? |
Posted by: Radub April 18, 2010 07:32 pm |
An absolute shame! I think that a protest march may work better. Gather as many people as possible using twitter, facebook, Hi5, whatever and march to Piata Victoriei. Radu |
Posted by: C-2 April 18, 2010 08:50 pm |
I made contact with some jurnalists. I need the phode of Dragos Dobre. |
Posted by: electric April 19, 2010 02:05 pm | ||
C-2, I see that you reached me Thank you and all for support! http://www.aripiromanesti.ro/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=933:oprete-distrugerea-muzeului-aviaiei&catid=24:avnews&Itemid=98 |
Posted by: C-2 April 19, 2010 04:49 pm |
Hotnews gonna contact you soon. Let me know what's going on. Good idea to make a petition. |
Posted by: udar April 19, 2010 04:59 pm |
Hmm, i really hope they will not be that insolents and stupid to do such things. Even if might be a political-economical deal, some things are too far for anybody, and i hope the common sense will prevail. Maybe was just a tasting of the public, to see the reaction, so its better to be a reaction, as bigger as better against such proposal. |
Posted by: Iamandi April 19, 2010 06:19 pm |
I put this banner on my blog (Resboiu). I hope it helps. |
Posted by: Mihai Popteanu April 20, 2010 06:33 am |
http://www.mapn.ro/cpresa/13384_PRECIZĂRI |
Posted by: electric April 20, 2010 07:34 am | ||
now, they are after the space that does not fit... first, they were after all 11.9 HA. Funny that the mayor didn't react, but instead MAPN reacted |
Posted by: Victor April 20, 2010 09:59 am |
There is not that much space left, unless they go for the area adjacent to the Dimitrie Pompei Blvd. Why do I get the feeling that after they get the land, a private venture will offer a new terrain in exchange for this one and new office buildings will be built instead? It doesn't make too much sense to build apartments in one of the most crowded office building areas in Bucharest. |
Posted by: electric April 20, 2010 11:50 am |
and here you have the subway lines. can they build tall buildings over the sub? i doubt... |
Posted by: Radub April 20, 2010 01:21 pm |
The first article posted by electric mentions that the "spot" is Strada Fabrica de Glucoza Nr. 2-4 To me, that sounds like the junction of Strada Fabrica de Glucoza with Strada Gara Herastrau. That is where the entrance and offices of the museum are located. Radu |
Posted by: SiG April 20, 2010 06:32 pm |
Hello I happen to work in an office building overlooking the aviation museum, so I know something about the situation "on the ground". I see that Victor has allso posted a satelite picture of the museum. At this moment the museum has a lot of land that is not used or it is used inefficiently. The actual museum occupies a small building at the edge of its property. There are some more buildings but they appear not to be used. Perhaps they are abandoned or perhaps they are used as storage space (but I can't see what they might be storing there). They are not open for visitation anyway. Besides the museum proper, there are, as you can see in the picture, a large number of airplanes scattered around. What is not visible in the picture is that those aircraft being stored in the open air are in a very bad condition and continue to deteriorate. There should be some kind of a hangar or at least a shed to protect them from the elements. And they could allso use some restoration work. So obviously the museum does not lack space, but (like many other museums in Romania) it probably lacks funds to maintain and restore the exhibits. The land there is certainly very valuable and any building project there should be fairly profitable. So if you guys are going to start any kind of pressure group, then maybe you should not be against the project completely, but instead ask for a part of the profits generated to be directed o the museum so it can be renovated, before all those airplanes rust away. I certainly can't see any other easily available source of income That's just my humble suggestion. |
Posted by: electric April 25, 2010 06:19 pm | ||
Asteptam si alti semnatari: persoane fizice, institutii, asociatii, grupuri etc. |
Posted by: C-2 April 25, 2010 09:16 pm |
You can contact Dicesare. What is funny,is that you adress your petition to some of the most corrupt politicians in the country.... |
Posted by: electric April 26, 2010 12:04 pm |
In urma tuturor demersurilor din presa , Primaria Sectorului 2 si personal Dl. primar Neculai Ontanu a invitat reprezentantii grupului de initiativa format pentru discutii privind situatia critica a Muzeului Aviatiei. Astfel, in cursul zilei de luni 26 aprilie 2010 o delegaţie a semnatarilor s-a intalnit cu domnul Neculai Ontanu, primar al Sectorului 2, Bucuresti, la ora 11.00 la sediul Primariei Sector 2. Reprezentantii semnatarilor au fost din partea mai multor organizatii si grupuri, in principal din partea Asociatiei „Aripi Romanesti”, Fundaţiei erou cpt. aviator „Alexandru Serbanescu”, ARPIA (Asociatia Romana pentru Propaganda si Istoria Aeronauticii), Centrul de resurse pentru participare publica plus consilierii juridici ai grupului de initiativa. Intalnirea a durat aproximativ o ora si 15 minute si a constat intr-o discutie in care s-au prezentat dlui primar argumentele din cadrul scrisorii deschise, cu privire la importanta faptului ca Muzeul Aviatiei sa isi pastreze actualul sediu in actuala configuratie. S-a subliniat faptul ca preluarea si sistematizarea cladirilor si a terenului inseamna distrugerea si desfiintarea muzeului. Solicitarea fundamentala a grupului a fost aceea ca Primarul Sectorului 2 sa se implice in retragerea si anularea solicitarii Consiliului Local al Sectorului 2 (HCL44/18.03.2010) privind Muzeul Aviatiei si alegerea unei alte locatii pentru constructia de locuinte. Solicitari scrise in acest sens au fost depuse la registratura PS2 si CLS2 avand numere de ordine 29227 si 29230 / 26.04.2010. Rezultatele obtinute sunt urmatoarele: Dl. Neculai Ontanu ne-a promis: - ca va sustine si efectua revocarea HCL44/2010 la urmatoarea sedinta de consiliu local - ca se ocupa de transmisia catre MAPN a faptului ca PS2 renunta la solicitarea preluarii terenului muzeului aviatiei pentru constructia de blocuri ANL - stabilirea unui parteneriat intre PS2, Muzeu si organizatiile nonguvernamentale / grupurile interesate pentru a stabili un program de dezvoltare si punere in valoare a muzeului aviatiei. Propunerea a fost sa se faca un fel de comitet care sa preia fonduri structurale pentru dezvoltarea muzeului - ca aceste promisiuni de mai sus se vor oficializa in acte in zilele urmatoare. P.S. Din cate stim, neoficial, din zvonuri si barfe, la muzeu s-a cerut crearea unui plan de evacuare a terenului. O fi adevarat? Ce sens are demersul nostru in acest caz? Oricum pana apar actele si lamurim situatia, noi continuam sa cerem dezbaterea publica. |
Posted by: C-2 April 28, 2010 08:19 pm |
I just red in "Adevarul De Seara"... Did we won? |
Posted by: electric April 29, 2010 08:51 am | ||
I don't know, we do not have anything official from the mayor. nor from the Defense ministry |
Posted by: bansaraba July 29, 2010 10:23 am |
It seems eventually it will be moved: http://www.proradioantic.ro/index.php?id_stire=98 |
Posted by: dragos January 11, 2011 08:24 am |
http://www.evz.ro/detalii/stiri/oprescu-le-dedica-aviatorilor-un-ozn-de-620000-de-euro-917820.html |
Posted by: MMM January 11, 2011 11:10 am |
And the meaning of this is... what? That given the fact Mayor Oprescu will plant that "thing" in front of the Museum, than the Museum won't be dismantled?! Or, simply, another crappy "modern art monument" which is not only inesthetic, but also way too expensive (fraudulent, that is)! |
Posted by: 21 inf January 11, 2011 01:18 pm |
"Just" 620.000 euro for "what"??? It seems that for local authorities there is no financial crisis any more! |
Posted by: Florin January 12, 2011 05:25 am |
Isn't this the same museum upgraded until the summer of 2007 ? They made some renovation indoors. Why suddenly the state of the museum is "critical", needing demolition? |
Posted by: Victor January 12, 2011 11:18 am |
Because it sits on a great piece of real-estate apparently. |
Posted by: MMM January 12, 2011 07:44 pm |
I think I'd better hurry up and visit it before I won't have anything else left... or before it will be moved into a cellar or something! |
Posted by: Radub January 12, 2011 09:38 pm |
It is not the easiest museum to visit... But it is quite all right inside. Radu |
Posted by: Cantacuzino January 13, 2011 07:11 am | ||
It doesn't matter that you will not find the museum anymore as long as you will find in the place a monument ( Oprescu and other mayors will invest a lot of money to not forgott our past). |
Posted by: MMM August 17, 2011 11:50 am |
Nothing else seems to have happened yet - so "no news is good news", right? Maybe it will remain "staus quo ante"... |
Posted by: cainele_franctiror August 17, 2011 04:44 pm |
There is a fence that separate the new site of museum. Two ex-museum buildings were destroyed (both on the left side of the central alley)... |