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| Posted by: eratoh February 12, 2006 03:26 pm |
| [contains posts split from: http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=2897] i have searched exhaustively for the name of this feature http://maps.google.com/local?f=q&hl=en&q=Romania&t=k&ll=45.93008,21.235757&spn=0.035162,0.068836&t=k there are 4 complete circuits of walls... over 5000acres enclosed http://216.109.132.28/test.jpg http://216.109.132.28/test1.jpg http://216.109.132.28/t1.jpg http://216.109.132.28/t2.jpg http://216.109.132.28/t3.jpg http://216.109.132.28/t4.jpg it is called romer schanze on this map http://www.dvhh.org/mercydorf/info/images/Ueberland_Mercydorf_Zsadany.jpg i don't see anything here http://www.cimec.ro/Monumente/ListaMonumentelorIstorice/listaMonIst.htm http://www.cimec.ro/scripts/mapserv.exe?MAP_LEGEND_STATUS=on&MAP_REFERENCE_STATUS=on&imgext=151353.818750+470295.847500+250111.193750+536134.097500&mapext=&map=%2Fmapserver%2Fmapserver_ro.map&zoomsize=2&zoomdir=1&zoom=2&program=%2Fscripts%2Fmapserv.exe&mode=browse&savequery=true&imgxy=300.0+200.0&qlayer=&qitem=Siruta9&qstring=&jump=&layer=ran&layer=cronica&layer=rauri_poligon&layer=siruta4&layer=lacuri&layer=drumuri_national_judetene&layer=&img.x=309&img.y=234 any ideas? [edited by admin] |
| Posted by: eratoh March 27, 2006 01:17 pm |
| hey robin hood, wink wink nudge nudge attila, Rhing... http://maps.google.com/local?f=q&hl=en&q=Romania&t=k&ll=45.93008,21.235757&spn=0.035162,0.068836&t=k |
| Posted by: eratoh March 27, 2006 10:09 pm |
| i thought maybe you might want to drop by and film Attila's lost capital mentioned in Priscus. it later became the Avar capital Rhing conquered by the Franks. very famous "lost" city. Good TV material, you might even be the first ever to visit. http://216.109.132.28/over.jpg gives you an idea what youre looking at... this is a scale overlay on rome |
| Posted by: RonHood March 28, 2006 12:54 am |
| Good lord Eratoh! I've never heard of such a thing. Don't even know how to Google it. Are you pulling my leg? Where is it located? xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Spoke too soon Got it. About 19 KM North of Timisoara. There also appears to be some sort round mound in the NE corner just inside the inner wall. I found several of your posts relating to this. It is clear that someone needs to take a closer look at it. I'll try to get over there and at least walk the ground and get some photos. What do the locals think of it? Any artifacts come out of the ground near there? Thanks for the info Ron |
| Posted by: eratoh March 28, 2006 01:26 am |
| as serious as a person who wants to benefit in no way can be. its just north [10miles] of Timisoara .. very close to where you'll be. its a little village called cornesti, which was zsadany which is now in Hungary [www.zsadany.hu] claiming his tomb http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?nav=messages&tsn=1&tid=3716&webtag=ab-archaeology there is more.... |
| Posted by: Dénes March 28, 2006 01:44 am | ||
There are no less than seven (!) Cornesti in Transylvania. The one you're looking for, Cornesi (formerly known as Jadani), in Hungarian Mezözsadány, is located at about 10 km N. of Timisoara (Temesvár, Temeschwar): http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formtype=address&addtohistory=&address=&city=Cornesti&state=&zipcode=&country=RO&location=C2EyHiYsEgh1aci4QM68xPDd2S%2fER6VXOEsohHSoiDTHglU0dvJuq7NzdckxjnK78Dvi72OquzSELTITmVxiciIvVLvdJ0n4&ambiguity=1 Good luck with your 'hunting' and keep us posted. Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: eratoh March 28, 2006 01:46 am |
| [classical] reference materials pertaining to size and location priscus========================== http://www29.homepage.villanova.edu/christopher.haas/embassy.htm P.fr .9 Having crossed rivers mighty indeed—namely the Tisia, Tibisia, and Dricca—we came to the place where long ago Vidigoia, the bravest of the Goths, perished by the treachery of the Sarmatians. Not far from there we reached the village where king Attila was staying, a village, I say, like a very large city, in which we found wooden walls made with smooth planks, their jointure imitating solidity to such an extent that the union of the boards could scarcely be seen by close scrutiny. You might see there dining rooms extended to a liberal circumference and porticoes laid out in all splendor. The area of the courtyard was bounded by a huge circuit wall so that its very size might show it to be the royal palace. This was the house of Attila, the king who held the whole barbarian world, and he preferred this dwelling to the cities captured by him. from DEATH OF BUDA A Hun Legend [note in this one that the city was a good distance east of the tisza and astonishingly large] =============================================== http://www.mek.iif.hu/porta/szint/human/szepirod/magyar/arany/epics/html/epics1.htm As from the distance one approaches a hive of bees, he sees a few insects flitting here and there - a thickening swarm, a darting dance, and then a buzz and zoom. The hive booms; in and out the door a thousand shining bees are crawling back on back. So teem the swarms of busy men as Attila's town looms up ahead. Buda's camp, I think, is nothing compared to these crowds that come and go and these palaces of Attila that stretch for miles into the fields, towering into the heavens. This is a great range where unbroken stallions run; a vast field betwixt where warriors train; palace on corral and palace on corral - it would be hard, indeed, indeed, to count them all. At the camp's outer edge stood the servants' tents with poles of plain fir notched. Farther in, the tents were finer, the joints fitted smoothly with a plane. The palaces of the chieftains are clustered here and there - so many proud, so many royal homes. Town within town passes into fields, with green stretches of distance between. Women dwell in their secluded towns and rule over their courts. Krimhilda passes swiftly, if she desires, over a hanging corridor to her lord Attila's tent. All this is work of marvellous craft. The awl argues dead trees into blossoms and new leaves, unlike before, painted in oil and unfamiliar colors. The leaves are blood-red, the blossoms gold; branches twist into hissing dragons where green birds perch silently, birdlike bells tinkling in their stead. In the center on a high hill is Attila's tent, the topmost point shaded by the ancient Turul, tremendous wings spreading for a flight, and wrought of solid gold by its maker. The columns flow to the ceiling, coiling like tendrils now this way now that, the wood plated with gleaming gold, and velvet tapestries swelling between. from gibbon [note the bit where he mentions deceit on huns part leading to confusion over the location] ======================================== he was admitted to the royal presence; but, instead of obtaining a decisive answer, he was compelled to undertake a remote journey towards the North, that Attila might enjoy the proud satisfaction of receiving in the same camp the ambassadors of the Eastern and Western empires. His journey was regulated by the guides, who obliged him to halt, to hasten his march, or to deviate from the common road, as it best suited the convenience of the king. The Romans who traversed the plains of Hungary suppose that they passed several navigable rivers, either in canoes or portable boats; but there is reason to suspect that the winding stream of the Theiss, or Tibiscus, might present itself in different places under different names. http://www.ccel.org/g/gibbon/decline/volume1/chap34.htm more? got a really good one from bulgaria |
| Posted by: eratoh March 28, 2006 02:15 am | ||
we each handle rejection differently. i was only fascinated and wanted some help from people i'd spent a fair amount of time around in timisoara. instead i had to make a spectacle of myself [sortof] but an answer will be found by someone. i imagine there would be some benefits for the area. as if romania needs more reasons to visit.... |
| Posted by: Dénes March 28, 2006 02:22 am | ||
Yes, Zsadány would be O.K., too, since that's how the village is most probably called by the local population. Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: Jody September 07, 2006 08:03 am |
| Zsadány / Cornesti is on the outskirts of the village of Mercydorf, in the Banat region of Romania. Once this was part of Hungary. Below are the nameplace variants for this area, not really a village, and certainly not a town: German: Saden Official: Cornesti, Romania Hungarian: Zsadány, Mezözsadány Variants: Jadani If anyone would like additional information, I can try and obtain it. This area was once occupied and developed by ethnic Germans, called Donauschwaben, who immigrated from Swabia areas during the 1700's and lived there until after WW2, most left by the 1980's to early 1990's. They were driven out. Today this area is in economic ruin and still in some villages, there is no plumbing. Zsadány / Cornesti was land not given to settlers. I am not a history buff, but thought I'd provide a little information to your group. My family lived in Mercydorf and Timisoara before immigrating to the US and Germany and I have found some remaining family still in Romania. I have visited the Banat area of Romania 3 times and I love it! It is like walking back in time to a more simplier way of life. The map link provided by one of your listers: http://www.dvhh.org/mercydorf/info/images/Ueberland_Mercydorf_Zsadany.jpg is mine. I'm not aware of nor have seen of any unusal mounds in Zsadány / Cornesti or the Mercydorf area, that you speak of. If this is true, I'd be interested in knowing more about it. Did someone in your group travel there? The main site is at http://www.dvhh.org/mercydorf - lots of photos from the area. I am webmaster and coordinator for a worldwide genealogy site called Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands Project at http://www.dvhh.org We cover a great deal of territory, from Banat, Romania to Batschka, Serbia. Perhaps your historians will find this site useful. Jody |
| Posted by: 21 inf July 01, 2007 07:36 am |
| I know it's a old post, but I'm interested about location. It looks interesting. Anyone can post more information about location/history of location? |
| Posted by: Imperialist July 03, 2007 07:46 am | ||
The location is in Timis, Cornesti village. http://arheologie.ulbsibiu.ro/publicatii/bibliotheca/banat/c.htm#159 take care |
| Posted by: Hadrian July 20, 2007 05:23 pm |
| Could be the capital of Attila the Hun? . |
| Posted by: Imperialist July 20, 2007 05:42 pm | ||
That's certainly what Eratoh has been saying all over the internets. But with no proof. |
| Posted by: 21 inf March 15, 2008 12:00 pm |
| An exceptional movie made with the support of Timisoara Museum of History about this ancient fortification. Can be downloaded from: http://www.fcupoli.ro/temp/Iarcuri.mov It's size is 780Mb and play time about 7-8 minutes. Even so, it is worth to wait to download it!!!! It is spoken in english, with romanian language subtitles. Much much more interesting to see in comparison with only images from Google Earth, since the movie have images taped from the very scene. Enjoy! |
| Posted by: eratoh May 12, 2008 09:43 pm |
| what eratoh said was that Attila rebuilt Sicambria. Sicambria was built by Antenor on the ruins of Troy. If you want to get spooky eratoh can show you Atlantis and the Garden of Yima. it may interest you that two individuals from the institute of geology in bucharest will be presenting at the milos atlantis conference this year. |
| Posted by: 21 inf May 23, 2008 07:41 pm |
| Archeological report from 2007 diggings at location "Iarcuri", presented on this subject at: http://cimec.ro/Arheologie/cronicaCA2008/rapoarte/052.html |