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Posted by: Vranceanu September 15, 2012 10:40 pm
What do you think about ARPIA ? Is somebody member of this association ? How is the athmosphere there ? I saw their site, but I am interested in personal impressions...

Posted by: Dénes September 16, 2012 06:40 am
I am a founding member of ARPIA. I participated a couple of times at their reunions, and even held a small presentation at one time.

If you're interested to meet former members of the air force (mostly post war) and civilian aviation, it's worth attending it. But not much is happening regarding history of wartime aviation, per se. True, last time I was there was a couple of years ago...

Gen. Dénes

Posted by: Florin September 16, 2012 06:56 am
When I saw this topic title for the first time, in the list of newest posts, I was a bit surprised.
Arpia is also name for a moth.

Order: Lepidoptera. Family: Noctuidae. Genus: Arpia Schaus
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/43/arpiaschaus.jpg/



Posted by: Dénes September 16, 2012 07:03 am
Check out http://arpia.ro/despre-noi

Gen. Dénes

Posted by: Vranceanu September 16, 2012 09:11 am
Thank's mr Denes.

Posted by: MMM September 16, 2012 10:23 am
QUOTE (Dénes @ September 16, 2012 10:03 am)
Check out http://arpia.ro/despre-noi

Gen. Dénes

Nice! Have you received any "help"/recognition from the state?

Posted by: Florin September 16, 2012 02:52 pm
QUOTE (Dénes @ September 16, 2012 02:03 am)
Check out http://arpia.ro/despre-noi

Gen. Dénes

Thank you.
For a person unaware at all about A.R.P.I.A., the most interesting thing is that first time the association was started 85 years ago.

Posted by: Victor September 16, 2012 02:54 pm
Back then it was called ARPA.

As Denes said, the current discussion are centered mostly on post-war events.

Posted by: Florin September 16, 2012 02:56 pm
QUOTE (MMM @ September 16, 2012 05:23 am)
QUOTE (Dénes @ September 16, 2012 10:03 am)
Check out http://arpia.ro/despre-noi

Gen. Dénes

Nice! Have you received any "help"/recognition from the state?

A common expression used in the United States is: "You are on your own, baby !"

Posted by: Vranceanu September 16, 2012 03:48 pm
QUOTE (Florin @ September 16, 2012 02:56 pm)
QUOTE (MMM @ September 16, 2012 05:23 am)
QUOTE (Dénes @ September 16, 2012 10:03 am)
Check out http://arpia.ro/despre-noi

Gen. Dénes

Nice! Have you received any "help"/recognition from the state?

A common expression used in the United States is: "You are on your own, baby !"

I think is wrong... to do performance in research, the historian/researcher must be sustained by the state, in many ways. Like in all other domains of research - medecine for exemple. Imagine a medical researcher doing all "on his own", like in XVIII century... Research is not a personal business, but a way to preserve national memory.

Posted by: Dénes September 17, 2012 05:53 am
QUOTE (MMM @ September 16, 2012 04:23 pm)
Nice! Have you received any "help"/recognition from the state?

Me? No, not at all. And I don't expect it, either.
All I request is to let me do research.
But this new secrecy law makes research very-very cumbersome, at least for somebody, who is not residing in Rumania.

Gen. Dénes.

Posted by: Florin September 17, 2012 08:50 am
QUOTE (Dénes @ September 17, 2012 12:53 am)
.....But this new secrecy law makes research very-very cumbersome, at least for somebody, who is not residing in Rumania.

Gen. Dénes.

By 2005 the Romanian government already requested to declare and submit for approval any book older than 50 years (or something there) that you want to take or send abroad. In that case, I sent by Romanian mail all kind of books printed in the 1970's, 1980's and 1990's. If I remember right, they were not regarded just as quantity : I had to fill in forms the title of every book.

Posted by: MMM September 17, 2012 09:17 am
QUOTE (Dénes @ September 17, 2012 08:53 am)
QUOTE (MMM @ September 16, 2012 04:23 pm)
Nice! Have you received any "help"/recognition from the state?

Me? No, not at all. And I don't expect it, either.
All I request is to let me do research.
But this new secrecy law makes research very-very cumbersome, at least for somebody, who is not residing in Rumania.

Gen. Dénes.

Not only for them; I had some difficulties myself, the "green Romanian" which I am (roman verde... tongue.gif )
http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=5944&hl=military+archives

Posted by: Vranceanu September 17, 2012 03:59 pm
If I remember well, I have demanded to Military Archives of Pitesti the personal files of two well known romanian aviators, Dan Vizanty (for my book) and Nadia Russo. They told me there are not such files in the archives.... In 2009 or 2010 was this discussion.

Posted by: MMM September 17, 2012 05:14 pm
QUOTE (Vranceanu @ September 17, 2012 06:59 pm)
If I remember well, I have demanded to Military Archives of Pitesti the personal files of two well known romanian aviators, Dan Vizanty (for my book) and Nadia Russo. They told me there are not such files in the archives.... In 2009 or 2010 was this discussion.

Oh, really?! Of course there as to be some information in there, maybe not a "file", but the "guys" in there seem to be extremely secretive! Phew!

Posted by: Vranceanu September 17, 2012 07:37 pm
About Vizanty, they told me it is only a "dosar de pensionare" or something like this, but not the personal file (officer's memory). In fact, I have seen some pages of his memory, since ww2, in his file from Securitate (CNSAS archives).

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