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| Posted by: cipiamon January 07, 2004 03:54 pm |
| I heard after the war the Iar's whare taken by the reds as a "war capture", any ideeas what happened to the planes? is there any chance that a plane might still exist today? |
| Posted by: Dénes January 10, 2004 04:04 pm | ||
If you refer to the I.A.R. series of aircraft, no, they were not taken away by the Soviets. They would have no use for an obsolete aircraft. However, if you refer to the I.A.R.- Brasov factory's machine tools, etc., rumours say that indeed most were transported East. |
| Posted by: cipiamon January 10, 2004 07:05 pm |
| I am not refering to the tools, i am refering to the planes.
This what i heard, but i can't remeber the source :roll: "afther the war, the remaining IAR80..'s are taken by the russians, as capture of war..." -and i was wondering what hapened to them? Afterall the russians prohibited any creation of a new romanian plane. :mad: |
| Posted by: George January 12, 2004 05:19 pm |
| No IAR-80 airplane was taken by russians in 1944-45.
Only 2 or 3 airplanes where captured by russians in 1942 near Stalingrad and probably tested. |
| Posted by: cipiamon January 12, 2004 11:45 pm |
| i see, the all the IAR80's must have been "casated", or "melted" :roll: |
| Posted by: cipiamon May 04, 2004 03:14 pm |
| When i visited The Musem of Aeronautics (Muzeul Aviatiei de la Otopeni) the guide told me that the IAR were taken by the soviets along whit the ciment presess, and all that to make Romania to buy aircrafts from rusians. After all, the IAR-Brasov industry was banned to make planes. |
| Posted by: Dénes May 04, 2004 05:49 pm |
| That's not true. As George and I mentioned earlier, no I.A.R. 80/81s were requisitioned by the Red Army after Aug. 1944.
The fact that the "old technology" (i.e., mainly German warplanes) was gradually eliminated to allow room for the "new technology" (Soviet warplanes) is another matter. However, the flying resources of many of those wartime airplane types simply expired and no money was invested into renewing these resources (this is not valid for post-war produced I.A.R.-Bf 109Gs, though). |
| Posted by: cipiamon May 05, 2004 01:20 pm |
| Yes but in Romania after the war the plane tehnology did not evolve too much, they stick to the propeler plane, so why they throw away all the planes. Probably you wold if see today iar80s sprayng the fields |
| Posted by: cipiamon May 05, 2004 01:32 pm |
| Oh, and abot that 1:1 replica from the Muzeum of Aeronautics he told me that the builder encountered very big dificultyes, he construct it at IAR Brasov along whit many old workers and it was so hard because there was no presses and thouse were taken by the russinas after the war. He probably lied to me, or he is beeing misinformed. |
| Posted by: Victor May 05, 2004 03:50 pm |
| The tail is a perfect replica. That was because mr. Dan Antoniu supercised the workers at Brasov very rigorousely. After that he was recalled to Bucharest, to the Museum, and the work went on to without him. And unfortunately the replica ended up teh way it did. At least he managed to obtained to paint it as No. 42. |
| Posted by: Carol I May 11, 2004 07:50 pm | ||
Could you please give some more details about this? For how long did the Bf 109G production take place at IAR after WWII? How many planes were produced? What happened to them? Were they only for internal use? Were any of them exported? Czechoslovakia managed to sell 25 of its 109Gs (known as Avia S-199) to the Israeli Air Force in 1948 (though only 23 were delivered). Thanks. |
| Posted by: C-2 May 11, 2004 07:57 pm |
| As far as I know ,no 109's were built after 23/Aug.
One Israeli Avia 199 is in flying condition at the Israeli aviation museum. One such aircraft made the first IAF victory. From what I heard ,there were big dif.between the 109 and the 199.. More details? Also the Avia made some version of the 262!!!??? |
| Posted by: Carol I May 11, 2004 08:02 pm | ||
What about the IAR-80 replica "No. 1" from the Aviation Museum? It was claimed to be the only true replica of the Romanian plane, built at Brasov with as many of the original details as possible, including the only surviving, original K14-1000a engine obtained from a technical school or museum?  |
| Posted by: Carol I May 11, 2004 08:05 pm | ||
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Avia%20S-199 for example states that the airframe of the Avia S-199 was identical to that of the Me 109G and that only the engine and the propeller were different. |
| Posted by: Dénes May 11, 2004 11:57 pm | ||||
Production lasted until 1947. As I've mentioned earlier, a total of 75 Bf 109Ga's were (partly) manufactured at I.A.R. Brasov. They were used only in ARR and FA-RPR, until 1954. The surviving airplanes were scrapped in 1955. |
| Posted by: Dénes May 12, 2004 12:02 am | ||||
That's not entirely correct. The engine cowling was also different, to accomodate the new Jumo 211F engine. A visible difference was the air intake scope, moved from the port to the starboard side. |
| Posted by: Dénes May 12, 2004 12:10 am | ||||
The main difference consisted of the weaker and heavier Jumo 211F engine, as well as the paddle-blade VS-11 propeller, both obviously negatively influencing the 'Mezek' (Mule)'s handling characteristics.
Yes, the Czechs built post-war 17 Avia S-99 and 2 CS-92 Turbína's from existing and newly manufactured Me 262 components. |
| Posted by: Dénes May 12, 2004 12:16 am | ||
Just by looking at the silhouette of the enclosed photo, one can see the (slight) differences, namely the cockpit canopy's shape, the main undercarriage cover, not to mention the inaccurate terra cotta camouflage colour. Despite these issues, the replica is not bad at all. It's nice to see a full-scale '80 under the blue sky... |
| Posted by: Carol I May 12, 2004 07:34 am | ||||
I didn't see your previous post(s), but thanks for this answer. |
| Posted by: bansaraba January 31, 2010 11:59 pm |
| Documentary about IAR (in Romanian): http://www.brasovultau.ro/view/IAR-Brasov-80-de-ani-de-activitate-1288.html |
| Posted by: New Connaught Ranger February 10, 2010 05:15 pm |
| Found this booklet and small picture at Brasov on Saturday 06th Febuary 2010 both show the same woman:- http://img44.imageshack.us/i/img0096ag.jpg/ http://img44.imageshack.us/i/img0097al.jpg/ http://img44.imageshack.us/i/img0101at.jpg/ Kevin in Deva.  |