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| Posted by: CCJ May 29, 2004 05:07 pm |
| Hello all,
I am new to the forum. I collect orders and decorations and several years ago acquired a 1st type Michael the brave 1st class numbered 17. I have not been able to research who the awardee was. I see that 16 were awarded during WW1 so this would have been an early WW2 award. I will take pictures of this order if anynone would like to see it. My question is; can anyone tell me who this 1st class Michael the brave belonged to? |
| Posted by: C-2 May 29, 2004 07:22 pm |
| Can you be sure it's original? |
| Posted by: CCJ May 30, 2004 12:44 am |
| Well,
I have checked around and everyone who has examined it thus far likes it. I have images for anyone who wants to look. :beer: ' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> |
| Posted by: Victor May 30, 2004 08:19 am |
| Well, it is a little bit difficult to say who was the 17th.
According to records it was marshal Antonescu who received the 17th (and the last) model 1916 1st class of the Mihai Viteazul Order. However, as head of the Order, King Carol II before him must have been decorated with it. But I do not know if a new 1st class was given to him or the 1st class of King Ferdinand I was passed on to him along with the crown. So, take your pick Carol II or Antonescu. |
| Posted by: CCJ May 30, 2004 01:14 pm |
| I wouldn't think it would be either of the two.
I read on the forum that 16 were awarded in WW1. Does this included all of the foreign awardees as well? |
| Posted by: Victor May 30, 2004 07:29 pm |
| During WW1, only two Romanians received the award: Prezan and Averescu. King Ferdinand I also had one, as founder and master of the Order. The rest were foreigners. There is also the list here:
http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/viewtopic.php?p=11475 |
| Posted by: boonicootza May 30, 2004 09:44 pm |
| Can you please post some pictures?
Thanx! |
| Posted by: CCJ May 30, 2004 10:19 pm |
| How do I post image?
I can e-mail them to you. |
| Posted by: mihai May 31, 2004 05:25 am |
| I'm interested in your item.
Can you see the pictures in this forum? Mihai [quote]How do I post image? I can e-mail them to you.[/quote] |
| Posted by: Victor May 31, 2004 06:02 am |
| [quote]How do I post image?
I can e-mail them to you.[/quote] Ok, send them either to me, either to Dragos and we will post them. |
| Posted by: CCJ May 31, 2004 12:59 pm |
| Okay, thanks for you help.
Charles |
| Posted by: boonicootza May 31, 2004 03:17 pm |
| [quote]How do I post image?
I can e-mail them to you.[/quote] You can use this site: http://www.imageshack.us/ It's easy and free. Peace! |
| Posted by: CCJ May 31, 2004 04:39 pm |
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| Posted by: CCJ May 31, 2004 04:40 pm |
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| Posted by: CCJ May 31, 2004 04:45 pm |
| Thank you for the link that allow me to post images. That's handy!
Charles Caudle Arkansas, USA |
| Posted by: boonicootza May 31, 2004 04:53 pm |
| It looks great! :keep:
Peace! |
| Posted by: CCJ May 31, 2004 05:27 pm |
| I will take a better obverse image. For some reason the high resolution image I have will not upload. Maybe too large in size! |
| Posted by: boonicootza May 31, 2004 10:02 pm |
| The maximum size is 750Kb. |
| Posted by: CCJ June 01, 2004 03:45 am |
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| Posted by: boonicootza June 01, 2004 06:51 am |
| How much did you pay for it? |
| Posted by: CCJ June 01, 2004 11:48 am |
| A lot. |
| Posted by: mihai June 02, 2004 06:51 am | ||
| This is interested scan
Mihai
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| Posted by: mihai June 02, 2004 06:58 am |
| Could you post the scan about this parts of backside?
I'm interested in this parts Mihai |
| Posted by: CCJ June 05, 2004 03:15 am |
| I am looking for a 2nd class on this order. 1916 or 1941. I need to complete the set. |
| Posted by: mihai June 05, 2004 08:25 am | ||
I have 2ndclass 1916 type,1941type,1944type with orignal box.
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| Posted by: CCJ June 05, 2004 04:10 pm |
| Great, can we see them?
I have sent you a PM. |
| Posted by: mabadesc June 05, 2004 04:56 pm | ||
Mihai, who were these awarded to? 2nd class was only awarded to a handful of people, so it's not hard to find out who the recipients were. |
| Posted by: mabadesc June 05, 2004 04:59 pm | ||
CCJ, if you really want to complete the set, you'll also need a 3rd class with swords. I think they were issued only after August 23, 1944. |
| Posted by: CCJ June 06, 2004 02:50 am |
| Hi mabadesc,
Eventually I hope to have all three classes of all the types. Did a communist order replace the Michael the Brave after the war? |
| Posted by: Carol I June 06, 2004 09:46 am |
| As far as I know, in the communist period there was no order which resembled the Order of Michael the Brave in award criteria or requirements.
The highest purely military award of the time was the 1949 Defence of the Fatherland Order which was also awarded in three classes for the "organisation and carrying out of war operations which brought an important contribution to the fight for the defence of the fatherland". |
| Posted by: CCJ June 06, 2004 05:00 pm |
| Mihai,
I tried to send you a Private Message but it appears I am unable to send anything. Please contact me by either PM or e-mail if you will. I am interested in discussing your 2nd class Orders of Michael the Brave. ccaudlej@sbcglobal.net |
| Posted by: Carol I November 01, 2005 10:39 am | ||
There is some indication that Carol II may have received the first class of the Order of Michael the Brave much earlier than 1930 when he became the head of the order as King of Romania. According to http://www.punctecardinale.ro/mar_2004/mar_2004_3.html in Puncte cardinale, Prince Nicolae, the brother of Carol II, wrote: "I could not have understood and I think I will never understand the reasons for which [Carol] was decorated by King Ferdinand with the Order of Michael the Brave first class". Unfortunately the note is not dated, but the reference to King Ferdinand indicates an earlier award than Carol's last renunciation to the throne (of 1925). I would guess it had been a WWI award Carol received as next in line to the throne, sometime after the order was founded in 1916. |
| Posted by: Carol I November 02, 2005 12:51 pm |
| I will now cast a shadow of doubt on Carol II's 1st class of the Order of Michael the Brave. Is there any photo showing him wearing the first class of the order? In all the photos I saw he was wearing only the third class of the order. Is it possible that there is an error in Prince Nicolae's note (either his or that of the author quoting him)? |
| Posted by: Victor November 02, 2005 02:02 pm |
| I may be wrong, but I seem to remember seeing the 1st class among Carol II's decorations in the National Military Museum. |
| Posted by: Carol I November 02, 2005 03:36 pm | ||
I think it would be nice if someone could give it a check during a visit to the museum, as I remember seeing Carol II's uniform only with the insignia of the third class of the order. |
| Posted by: Carol I December 22, 2005 05:37 pm |
| Through High Decree no. 1148 of 6 October 1917, the future king Carol II was awarded the third class of the Order of Michael the Brave. |
| Posted by: boonicootza December 22, 2005 06:00 pm |
| It's only the third class. http://imageshack.us Victor, if I'm not allowed to post pictures from the museum please delete the image. |