Here is a really nice WW2 1941 Michael the Brave ribbon bar with German orders. Please feel free to share your photos of ribbon bars.
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| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR June 20, 2004 06:57 pm |
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Here is a really nice WW2 1941 Michael the Brave ribbon bar with German orders. Please feel free to share your photos of ribbon bars. |
| Posted by: CCJ June 20, 2004 08:51 pm |
| Hi,
What is the third ribbon onthe second row? That is a very nice bar...have you any others? :keep: |
| Posted by: Carol I June 20, 2004 09:16 pm |
| [quote]What is the third ribbon onthe second row?[/quote]
It looks like the ribbon of the German Iron Cross. |
| Posted by: CCJ June 20, 2004 09:24 pm |
| Okay... why does it have one EKII ribbon with a rossette and then one on the bottom row that is the typical Iron Cross (EKII) ribbon? It is very interesting as I have never seen German award ribbons with rossettes. |
| Posted by: Carol I June 20, 2004 09:36 pm |
| I guess the ribbons were somehow adapted to the Romanian ribbon system (I understood that the recipient was Romanian). Thus, the ribbon without rosette might have corresponded to the second class of the Iron Cross and that with the rosette to the first class of the Iron Cross. |
| Posted by: CCJ June 20, 2004 09:56 pm |
| Interesting, Sounds possible... Hopefully we'll see more. |
| Posted by: mihai June 22, 2004 11:32 am |
| [quote]I guess the ribbons were somehow adapted to the Romanian ribbon system (I understood that the recipient was Romanian). Thus, the ribbon without rosette might have corresponded to the second class of the Iron Cross and that with the rosette to the first class of the Iron Cross.[/quote]
I think so, In Rumanian order system,I guess the orders show this class EKⅡ →knight class ＥＫⅠ → officer class RK → commanderc lass The type of wearing the order show evert type of the typcial order RK show the figure of any order' s commander class. Mihai |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR June 23, 2004 04:26 am |
EXAMPLES OF WW2 AIR FORCE RIBBON BARS. LAST RIBBON BAR WITH MEDAL RIBBON FOR THE FIGHT AGAINST COMMUNISM HAS A SILVER CAMPAIGN BAR FOR ODESSA. |
| Posted by: Carol I June 23, 2004 10:03 am |
| Quite interesting ribbon bars. They suggest that during WWII the Aeronautical Virtue Order was ranked before the Order of the Star. It thus seems that in the period this aviation order was placed just below the Order of Michael the Brave in the hierarchy of the Romanian war orders. |
| Posted by: mihai June 23, 2004 10:47 am | ||
| This is good example of time period items.
It's great for the sword device leave. Ihave some ribbonbars.but the device lost. Mihai
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| Posted by: CCJ June 23, 2004 09:07 pm |
| Would someone ID the ribbons for each set?
:cheers: |
| Posted by: Carol I June 24, 2004 07:11 am | ||
First set: First row: Aeronautical Virtue Order with swords, Order of the Star (or Crown) with swords, Order of the Crown Second row: Honour Sign for 25 Years in Service, Crusade against Bolshevism, Centennial of King Carol I Medal Second set: First row: Aeronautical Virtue Order with swords, Order of the Star with swords, Order of the Crown with swords Second row: Crusade against Bolshevism, Carol I Jubilee Medal, Centennial of King Carol I Medal Third set: First row: Aeronautical Virtue Order with swords, Order of the Star with swords, Order of the Crown with swords Second row: Crusade against Bolshevism, Iron Cross (Ger), Centennial of King Carol I Medal Fourth set: First row: Order of the Crown with swords Second row: Aeronautical Virtue Order with swords, Centennial of King Carol I Medal, Crusade against Bolshevism with Odessa bar |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR June 24, 2004 12:53 pm |
| SECOND MEDAL BAR, SECOND ROW, SECOND RIBBON IN THE MIDDLE -
NAZI-GERMAN EASTERN FRONT SERVICE MEDAL 1941-1942. |
| Posted by: Carol I June 24, 2004 01:02 pm |
| OK, my mistake. The ribbon seemed different from that of the Carol I Jubilee Medal, but being placed among other Romanian medals I presumed it to be Romanian too (and the Carol I Jubilee Medal seemed the best match).
Do you happen to know why the German medal was placed among the Romanian ones and not after them as it was the rule of the time? |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR June 24, 2004 01:33 pm |
| Carol 1, you are definantly a serious collector and scholar of ODM's. I congratulate you for your serious research of Romanian medals. To answer a couple of your questions in this forum. First, The Aeronautical virtue in almost all cases was worn before the Order of the Star during War time. During the 1930's, you find it before or after the Star order. I really do not know why. I see that in photographs and examples of Air Force bars that I have in my collection. Second, I have seen many examples of German and Romanian orders scattered throughout a medal or ribbon bar. The rule of wear of course would be that the German medals or any foreign medals would follow the Romanian medals. However, I scratch my head all the time trying to find the basic rule for wear and came to the conclusion that the basic rule did not get followed. The same applies to the wear of Regimental Badges. You find them scattered all over the uniforms. I can look at a Regimental group photo and the same badge is worn in several different places on the uniform. Standards and rules for wear of ODM's and regimental badges my guess were followed perhaps 60-70 percent of the time. This is my opinion based on photos and my study of medal and ribbon bars. |
| Posted by: Carol I June 24, 2004 01:50 pm | ||||
Thank you for your appreciation.
I could answer to this question. The Aeronautical Virtue Order moved a lot among the other Romanian orders. When it was established, it was the fourth order, just above the Order of the Star, but below the Orders of Carol I, Ferdinand I and Michael the Brave. In 1937, following the inclusion of the personal orders of Carol II it became seventh in the hierarchy. Then, in 1938 it was downgraded to the ninth position (after the Order of the Crown), but in 1941 its importance increased again, both by bringing it back to its original position (before the Order of the Star) and by removing the dynastic orders form the list of "war" orders. Thus, the position of the Aeronautical Virtue Order among the other Romanian orders could be a way of dating the photos in your collection. |
| Posted by: Carol I June 24, 2004 01:52 pm |
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Fourth set: First row: Order of the Crown with swords Second row: Aeronautical Virtue Medal with swords, Centennial of King Carol I Medal, Crusade against Bolshevism with Odessa bar |
| Posted by: Victor June 24, 2004 06:07 pm | ||
Not quite. Even though it was downgraded, some aviators kept wearing their special award as it used to be. |
| Posted by: Carol I June 24, 2004 06:37 pm | ||
You mean there were instances between 1938 and 1941 when the aviators wore the Aeronautical Virtue Order before the Order of the Star? This is indeed interesting. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR June 26, 2004 02:32 am |
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| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR June 26, 2004 02:35 am |
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| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR June 26, 2004 02:40 am |
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| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR June 26, 2004 02:47 am |
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| Posted by: Carol I June 26, 2004 08:18 am |
| Very interesting order bars. Do you know whom they have belonged (all or at least some of them)? |
| Posted by: mihai June 26, 2004 03:21 pm | ||
| 2nd order form rightside is EK
,3rd order is Meritorius Order of The German eagle. This is good mounted order. MIhai
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| Posted by: mihai June 26, 2004 03:25 pm | ||
| 1st order from the right side is Poland Order of Plonia Restituta 1918-1944.
6th.7th is Imperial Russia Order,8th is French war cross. This is interestred order that I saw, Mihai
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| Posted by: mihai June 26, 2004 03:28 pm | ||
| This is good example orders.
This wear of the order received Order of AB,medal of AB it's amazing. Mihai
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| Posted by: Carol I June 26, 2004 05:04 pm | ||||
The seventh order from the left is the Russian Order of St. Anne with swords and the eighth is the Russian Order of St. Stanislas with swords. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR June 27, 2004 05:12 am |
| Only one bar I can identify to whom it belonged to. Example 5 I beleive belong to the Commanding Officer of the 5th Bomb Group who was awarded both the 1941 Michael the Brave and the German Eagle order for his Continued Bombardment of Soviet Troops at Stalingrad and on the Don allowing the German and Romanian Army to retreat out of Russia. He is the only one I know of who had both orders. I think his name was Nicolae Iosifescu. Examples 1 and 7 I beleived belong to Air Force Generals who retired prior to WW2. These bars have the 40 year Loyal Service medals on them. A typical award found on Generals Bars 1930's-beggining of WW2. I do not know much information about Air Force Generals during the 1920's-1930's period. Example 4 I can not identify who may have worn this bar. It has the Michael the Brave 1941 order and there were 22 Air Force recipients from 1941-1944. This bar has the more common medals which indicate that this person may have held the rank of Captain or Major. |
| Posted by: Carol I June 27, 2004 08:40 am |
| Thanks for the information. I found it quite interesting. |
| Posted by: Victor June 27, 2004 10:29 am |
| There were more Romanian officers who received both the MV Order and teh German Eagle. If this is Iosifescu's order bar, how come there are no Virtutea Aeronautica Orders?
Btw, there were 36 air force recepients of the MV Order between 1941-44. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR June 27, 2004 01:12 pm |
| I beleive that the other Air Force recipients had the 1944 version of the MV Order. I am not 100% sure that this bar did indeed belong to Iosifescu. However, I do know he was awarded the German Eagle Order. Process of elimination when I look at who the MV Order recipients were between 1941-1944 in Colonel Eugene Ichim's book on MV recipients. Further positive identification of this bar and who may have worn it would be very greatful. A listing of Romanian Air Force recipients of the German Eagle Order would be extremely helpful. |
| Posted by: CCJ June 28, 2004 11:35 pm |
| On the Order bar #5. I know the question was asked about why there is no Virtutea Aeronautica Order and I think a knight class should be on the bar but isn't one of the medals an Air Force medal for enlisted/NCO ranks? I am asking as I am unsure... |
| Posted by: CCJ June 29, 2004 02:39 am |
| Why were soldiers awarded the order of the German Eagle? Also, shouldn't the award have swords for military personnel? Just asking... :? |
| Posted by: Carol I June 29, 2004 07:19 am | ||
Yes, it is the fifth from the left. |
| Posted by: CCJ July 03, 2004 05:00 pm |
| Am I correct that this is an inlisted man's AV award? |
| Posted by: Victor July 03, 2004 05:09 pm |
| If he was an enlisted man, then how come he has the MV Order? |
| Posted by: CCJ July 03, 2004 06:43 pm |
| I guess he may have been enlisted and received a promotion. I don't understand why a higher grade of AV wasn't awarded this man... :?: |
| Posted by: Dénes July 05, 2004 03:30 pm |
Here is a 5-piece exquisite decoration assembly:
I believe only the far right one is Rumanian, the rest are Prussian and Austrian decorations. |
| Posted by: CCJ July 05, 2004 03:32 pm |
| This looks like a pre WW1 Prussian Order bar to a long serving officer. |
| Posted by: mihai July 08, 2004 03:55 am | ||
The fourth order from left is Austrian "Order of The Iron Crown" This order is very rare. Mihai |
| Posted by: mihai July 08, 2004 03:58 am |
| [quote="Dénes"]Here is a 5-piece exquisite decoration assembly:
quote] 1st order from left is "Prussian Order Of Red eagle Fourth class",This raare Order too Mihai |
| Posted by: mihai July 08, 2004 04:02 am | ||
The 2nd from left is "Prussian Order of The crown Fourth class" This three orders are vert high price items, This is good medal bar Mihai |
| Posted by: CCJ July 08, 2004 04:11 am |
| Here is my favorite Order bar. This is in my collection and once belonged to a highly decorated Wuerttemburg Officer. The only thing even remotely related to Romania here is the Hohenzollern Knights class with swords but of course this is not the same but rather the house order of the Reigning Empirer and king if Prussia.
Note the rare Wuerttemburg Military Merit Order. 3rd order from left...  |
| Posted by: mihai July 08, 2004 04:23 am | ||
ThaT great medal bar.additionally,3rd Order is very rare,5th orer is Byren Order of Merit fourth class. I have about 20 medalbar of Imperial German era. I'll post the scan, few late age. Mihai |
| Posted by: CCJ July 09, 2004 12:27 am |
| Wow, 20 is a lot of order bars to own. You must be a serious medals collector...
Check this out... I Baden Military Karl-Friedrich Order knight class. VERY RARE and FEW AWARDED. 
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| Posted by: Carol I July 10, 2004 02:49 pm | ||
Indeed the second order from the left is the Royal Hohenzollern House Order, but as you said it is only remotely related to the Romanian Hohenzollern House, being the house order of the Prussian Royal/Imperial House. Much closer related to Romania is the Princely Hohenzollern House Order of the Catholic Sigmaringen branch of the Hohenzollern family to which King Carol I and King Ferdinand of Romania belonged. The difference between the two orders is the motto: VOM FELS ZUM MEER for the Royal Hohenzollern House Order and FÜR TREUE UND VERDIENST for the Princely Hohenzollern House Order. |
| Posted by: CCJ July 10, 2004 04:19 pm |
| Yes,
I had one of those without swords but sold it. Next time I'll get one with swords. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR August 08, 2004 12:54 am |
15 Place ribbon bar Here is an interesting ribbon bar. Row 3 Number 1, Can anyone identify ? Looks Czech. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR August 08, 2004 12:56 am |
14 Place ribbon bar. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR August 08, 2004 12:58 am |
25 Place ribbon bar with MV order at top. |
| Posted by: mihai August 08, 2004 12:09 pm |
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14 Place ribbon bar.[/quote] I can't see the scan. Mihai |
| Posted by: mihai August 08, 2004 12:10 pm |
| [quote]
25 Place ribbon bar with MV order at top.[/quote] I can't see this scan ,too Mihai |
| Posted by: CCJ August 08, 2004 04:09 pm |
| That 25 place ribbon bar with the Mv is very nice.
:beer: |
| Posted by: mihai August 09, 2004 12:32 pm | ||
I can see it ,very goods! Mihai |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR August 18, 2004 03:39 am |
Here is a very nice 12 Place medal bar that includes the 1941 Michael the Brave order and orders from all 3 Axis powers. Germany, Italy, Japan. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR August 21, 2004 03:07 am |
18 Place Ribbon Bar |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR August 21, 2004 03:10 am |
14 Place Ribbon Bar |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR August 21, 2004 07:48 pm |
12 Place Michael the Brave medal bar for Air Force. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR August 21, 2004 08:01 pm |
14 Place Michael the Brave medal bar for service in the Ruling House. The bar also has foreign orders : 2 Bulgarian, Italian, Belgium, and the German Hohenzolern medal in gold issued to individuals at Pelesch Castle during 1942. |
| Posted by: Carol I September 02, 2004 06:21 pm | ||
I guess the second badge from the right (the white Maltese cross with red and gold centre) is the Swedish Order of Vasa. |