and i'd like a little help with some Cartridges the markings on them are :P.A.M-
P.A.B-
H-
K&C-
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| Posted by: Heide April 24, 2009 03:46 pm |
| Hello guys , i'm new here and i'd like a little help with some Cartridges the markings on them are : P.A.M- P.A.B- H- K&C- |
| Posted by: ANDI April 24, 2009 05:13 pm |
Hmm, I reckon you have some m93 cartridges there...  P.A.M. and P.A.B. are Romanian codes. P.A.B. comes from Pumitra Societate Anonima din Brasov but unfortunately I don't know exactly what P.A.M stands for. H is from Hirtenberger Patronenfabrik - Austria K&C is from Patronenfabrik Keller & Co - Austria |
| Posted by: mihnea April 24, 2009 06:38 pm |
| "Pumitra Societate Anonima din Brasov" lol . On romanian cases PA or P.A. always stands for Pirotehnia Armatei the other letter marks the producer of the brass as Romania didn't produce brass until late in the inter war era. The only brass manufacturer known, by me, is "Compagnie Francaise des Muntions" and the cases made with brass from them are marked P.A.C. Unfortunately I don't know what the other letters stand for, I have encountered on romanian M93 cases (6,5x53r) the following markings PAB, P.A.I., P.A.R., PAH, P.A.M., P.A.F., PAA . Oh I have the info on the markings from "Descrierea conservarea si ingrijirea Armei Md.1893 si revolverului Md.1896" published in 1906 |
| Posted by: Heide April 25, 2009 10:30 am |
| Ok, thx a lot guys |
| Posted by: Manu April 25, 2009 01:13 pm |
| Hello all,I also have a question about a cartridge marking if someone can help, it is on a m95 cartridge I found, the marking is B.N.F or B NF because there is a little space between the B and the N, it was made in 1915 in the IVth month,thanks |
| Posted by: Mannlicher April 27, 2009 05:51 am |
| @ Manu: Berndorfer Metallwarenfabrik, Berndorf. Used from 1903 to 1918. If it looks like this: http://img8.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bmf1917ivg.jpg Picture taken from http://www.municion.org |
| Posted by: Manu April 27, 2009 09:31 am |
| That's the one  , thanks 4 the help Mannlicher, all the best. |
| Posted by: Cristian June 05, 2009 06:05 am |
| http://img15.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=81657_IMG_2091_122_778lo.JPG 6,5x54R presentation cartridge board made by Pirotehnica Armatei (PA) |
| Posted by: C-2 June 05, 2009 07:10 pm |
| Wow! Can you explain all the elements in the photo? |
| Posted by: Hadrian June 06, 2009 10:15 am |
| In the midle is presented how the ball and the tube of the cartridge are formed (trough plastic deformation) from pieces of metal, both outer view and in section. Ity starts from left, process steps go to right. Under them, there are percussion caps for cartridges, process steps. Over the presentation of cartridge, the steps for making rifle magazines from metal sheets. Than there are 2 finished and loaded magazines, left and right. Over them, initial metal sheet right, and left whats left after the magazine was taken out. On the edges, going around, balls, cartridge tubes, bullet cores. |