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Posted by: kokta January 18, 2006 07:40 am
Hello ,
I would like to build the IAR 80 model ( MPM 1/72 ) with camouflage for the aircraft number 109, Eskadrila 53, Grupul 7. I found on this forum one photo, analogical scheme for aircraft no. 112. and any photos of model.
I have a few questions:

The replacement rudder was without Romanian stripes but his color?? I think red ( Aircraft no. 112) is unusual.

Color of the spinner is really yellow-black or only yellow ??

Is possible to find another information of this aircraft ( pilot´s name, any photos ...) ?

Please help me,
David, Czech Republic

Posted by: Cantacuzino January 20, 2006 02:53 am
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I would like to build the IAR 80 model ( MPM 1/72 ) with camouflage for the aircraft number 109, Eskadrila 53, Grupul 7.


The "Escadrila 53" was independent squadron ('41-43) when IAR80 was used and it's wrong mentioned as part of "Grupul 7Vt."

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The replacement rudder was without Romanian stripes but his color?? I think red ( Aircraft no. 112) is unusual.



It is not an replacement rudder. More than one plane (no 109,112,114 ) had the rudder overpainted (and not replaced wink.gif. It is believed that the overpaint color was red. This planes were used in a training unit and it could probably depict "enemy" planes in mockup dog fight ( first "top gun "school ? rolleyes.gif )

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Color of the spinner is really yellow-black or only yellow ??


I suggest to paint the spinner 1/3 yellow and 2/3 black.

Posted by: Cantacuzino January 20, 2006 03:18 am
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Is possible to find another information of this aircraft ( pilot´s name, any photos ...) ?


A color profile of IAR 80 no 109. Artwork Dan Melinte.
http://imageshack.us

Posted by: Victor January 20, 2006 06:07 am
S/n 109 was listed in early 1944 as part of the 1st Fighter Flotilla's training squadron.

Posted by: Dénes January 20, 2006 02:05 pm
QUOTE (Cantacuzino @ Jan 20 2006, 09:18 AM)
A color profile of IAR 80 no 109.

No. 109 was an I.A.R. 80A; therefore, the 'A' should be on the fin, too.

Gen. Dénes

Posted by: Cantacuzino January 20, 2006 07:23 pm
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No. 109 was an I.A.R. 80A; therefore, the 'A' should be on the fin, too.

Gen. Dénes


Yes, you are right. I made the correction. wink.gif

I found the same mistake on color profile of IAR80 nr 133 in "Rumanian Air Force-The Prime Decade 1938-1947" from Signal squadron editor tongue.gif

Posted by: Dénes January 21, 2006 01:24 am
Yes, you're correct. Here is the e-mail address where you can contact the colour profiles' author, Don Greer: squadron@squadron.com

Gen. Dénes

Posted by: C-2 January 21, 2006 02:41 pm
Who is Dan Melinte?

Posted by: Cantacuzino January 21, 2006 04:13 pm
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Who is Dan Melinte?


mad.gif

Posted by: Victor January 21, 2006 06:42 pm
QUOTE (C-2 @ Jan 21 2006, 04:41 PM)
Who is Dan Melinte?

I think it's the third time you made this joke.

Posted by: C-2 January 22, 2006 06:47 am
What joke?
It's about the 10-th time I'm asking the same question!

Posted by: Dénes January 22, 2006 02:51 pm
Yes. The man deserves a straight answer.

Gen. Dénes

Posted by: kokta January 24, 2006 06:20 pm
Thank you very much for your help. This is excellent information for me. I will paint this aircraft identically as the profile above.
This profile is interesting as the camouflage pattern is also applied under the fuselage. This is not notable in many photos or other sources. I believe the majority of aircrafts have fuselage undersurfaces light blue (for example No. 112 or some models of No.109 which I´ve seen) However I hope this profile seen above is correct and I accept it.

When I assemble and finish my model, I will post it there.

David

Posted by: kokta January 24, 2006 06:24 pm
QUOTE (Cantacuzino @ Jan 20 2006, 02:53 AM)
QUOTE
I would like to build the IAR 80 model ( MPM 1/72 ) with camouflage for the aircraft number 109, Eskadrila 53, Grupul 7.


The "Escadrila 53" was independent squadron ('41-43) when IAR80 was used and it's wrong mentioned as part of "Grupul 7Vt."



I´m sorry, but I have this bad information from Squadron Signal Publication about ARR. Thanks for your correction...



David

Posted by: kokta July 11, 2006 07:18 am
Hello,
I´ve started the building of this model. There is some photos and commentary:
http://modelforum.upce.cz/forum/viewtopic.php?p=74890#74890

Posted by: Dénes July 11, 2006 01:24 pm
QUOTE (kokta @ Jan 25 2006, 12:24 AM)
QUOTE (Cantacuzino @ Jan 20 2006, 02:53 AM)
   The "Escadrila 53"  was  independent squadron ('41-43) when IAR80 was used and it's wrong mentioned as part of "Grupul 7Vt."



I´m sorry, but I have this bad information from Squadron Signal Publication about ARR. Thanks for your correction...



David

Esc. 53 vân. was part of Gr. 7 vân. at one point or another. This can also be verified in the book by Antoniu & Cicos.

Gen. Dénes

Posted by: Cantacuzino August 09, 2006 12:00 am
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QUOTE (kokta @ Jan 25 2006, 12:24 AM)
QUOTE (Cantacuzino @ Jan 20 2006, 02:53 AM)
  The "Escadrila 53"  was  independent squadron ('41-43) when IAR80 was used and it's wrong mentioned as part of "Grupul 7Vt."





I´m sorry, but I have this bad information from Squadron Signal Publication about ARR. Thanks for your correction...



David 


Esc. 53 vân. was part of Gr. 7 vân. at one point or another. This can also be verified in the book by Antoniu & Cicos.

Gen. Dénes


The discussion was around IAR 80 ( inventory ) in 53sq. At the time of using this type of plane, 53sq was independent squadron. So the corection has a meaning for modellers who were confused about the 53 sq emblem ( Mikey Mouse riding a horse) wrong atributed to 7thFG in some old books.

Posted by: kokta September 27, 2006 06:23 am
QUOTE (kokta @ July 11, 2006 07:18 am)
Hello,
I´ve started the building of this model. There is some photos and commentary:
http://modelforum.upce.cz/forum/viewtopic.php?p=74890#74890

I´ve added progress...

Posted by: kokta September 08, 2007 09:51 am
Hi all,
finally I can inform you that my IAR 80 is finished. I waited for the printed dekals and then I had to clear away other projects from my workbench.
In fact the original dekal on the tail (IAR 80A) has broken during its application propably due to its degradation. Thanks to Hammer, member of modelforum, for printing new ones. I think it was no straightforward build. Especially the upgrade of cowling is neccesarry. I hope, the announced MPM new release of that beatiful aircraft will be redesigned.

Galery: http://modelforum.upce.cz/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15209
Building: http://modelforum.upce.cz/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5222

I hope you like it. Any feedback will be welcomed.

Best regards,
David

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