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Posted by: yogy September 03, 2005 10:57 am |
I would like to ask you guys for help... I look for all information on airbases which were used from 1941-1944 in the Moldavian and Bessarabian part of Romania and the USSR. Here is a list of locations where afaik bases have been: Akerman (@Odessa) Bacau Belgrad (Bolgrad) Comrat Constanta Grigorypol Husi Kishinew Kotovsk Odessa Roman Tecuci+ Tiraspol (near Tighina) Wilkow (Danube-Delta) Furthermore, I have a number of names of which I do not know where they are. A lot of these might be further south, as I just collected anything I could get in the first run. Beltsi Boteni Calimanesti Ciocarlia (Bomber/See-Reccon) Culm Foksani (Bomber-AF) Ivesti (Bomber) Janca (Bomber) Kolosovka Kirovograd Krivoy Rog Leipzig (Romanians) Manzar Matca Mizil Otopeni (JG/NJG) Pervomaisk Pipera (near Bucharest?) Rosiori-de-Vede Tandarei Bomber Targosul Tepes-Voda Toryshino Trotus Zilistea Any info on additional bases would is wellcome ![]() Thanks, yogy |
Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu September 03, 2005 11:34 am |
Hello and welcome to the forum. Constanta is not in Moldova, here is a thread about airfield near Costanta (at Mamaia): http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=2290 Otopeni, Pipera, Popesti Leordeni are all airfields around Bucharest. Here is a quick map with a few locations: Ploiesti, Mizil, Bucuresti (Otopeni, Baneasa, Clinceni, Popesti-Leordeni) http://www.pensiunituristice.com/harta_turistica.php?pt=romana ![]() |
Posted by: electric September 03, 2005 12:16 pm |
Hi! you will find below a low res scan of the moldavian region map with main cities/towns. for the full scan, check this link (2.5M image size) http://www.d13-th.com/user/electric/basarabia-1935.jpg IMAGES are scanned from a romanian geographical/historical/economical "Atlas" from 1938 Note: Akerman is Cetatea Alba, not Odessa. Leipzig is near Romanesti and is in Bassarabia as well WILKOW is Valcov Manzar is in Bassarabia ![]() |
Posted by: Victor September 03, 2005 12:23 pm |
First, a small correction for the first list. Akkerman is the Turkish name of Cetatea Alba/Belgorod. The port is situated in Southeastern Bessarabia and presently belongs to the Ukraine. It is West of the Dnister River, not East of it (where Odessa is). The city has a very old history going back to the Middle Ages, when it was a very important port for the commercial route coming from the Baltic. It used to be a Genoese city, then Tatar, then Moldavian, then Turkish, then Russian, then Romanian, then Soviet and then Ukrainian. Now, for the second list. Beltsi=Balti, in the northern part of present day Republic of Moldavia. See here: http://www.hartionline.ro/tari/html/moldova1.html Boteni it's south of Campulung, in Wallachia (Southern Romania), some 150 km north-west pf Bucharest. See here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/g6.html Calimanesti is a spa resort north of Rm. Valcea, on the Olt Valley, where teh river cuts through the Carpathians, between Transylvania and Wallachia. I never heard of an airfield there and I don't think it was possible to buil one in such a narrow place. See here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/f6.html Ciocarlia is north of Urziceni, in southern Romania, see here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/j7.html Culm - never heard of it. Focsani is a relatively large city in southern Moldavia, see here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/j5.html Ivesti is Southeast of Tecuci, on the road to Galati, also in Southern Moldavia, see here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/k5.html Ianca is West of Braila, in Walachia, but realitevly close to the frontline, see here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/k6.html I don't know where Kolosvka is. Kirovograd and Krivoy Rog are in the Ukraine, beyond the Dnister. Leipzig was a German colony in Bessarabia, situated not much West of Komrat. I don't know if today is the Republic of Moldova or in the Ukraine. It is located in the area where there is a frontier between the two today. I don't know where Manzar is. Matca is North of Ivesti (East of Tecuci that is), see here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/k5.html Mizil is located between Ploiesti and Buzau, see here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/i6.html Otopeni is the "home" of the biggest Romanian present-day airport and is located several km North of Bucharest. Pipera is also very close to Bucharest (practically soon will be "swallowed" by it) and is located also in the northern part. See here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/i7.html. Pipera isn't mentioned on the map. I have drawn this second one: ![]() Rosiorii de Vede is situated in Southern Romania, too far for operations against the Red Army, but it was used for operations against the 15th US Air Force. See here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/g8.html Tandarei is situated in Southeastern Romania, see here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/k7.html Tragusorul Vechi is located West of Ploiesti, see here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/h6.html Tepes Voda is just East of Ianca, see here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/k6.html Targu Trotus is located between Onesti and Targu Ocna, in Moldavia, close to the Eastern Carpathians, see here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/i4.html. It used to be a town during Medieval times, but presently it is just a village. Zilistea is located between Buzau and Rm. Sarat. It doesn't show on this map: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/j6.html Hope this helps. |
Posted by: Dénes September 03, 2005 04:07 pm |
Here is the map that illustrates my first book on ARR, published by Squadron/Signal. You can find in it most of the airfields you're looking for. Gen. Dénes ![]() |
Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu September 03, 2005 04:31 pm |
How did I miss that ? ![]() |
Posted by: yogy September 03, 2005 06:57 pm |
Hey, Denes, thanks a lot! That clarifiies a lot! There are even some places I have been in 1997... Oradea, Cluj-Napoca, Tirgo-Mures with the clolour-film-factory, and Sibiu... Bessarabia we didn't visit, too far from Germany... Do you know which AF's were used by the VVS in 1944 for the "romanian" operations Targos Frumol & Yassy-Kishinev? Are the ones on your map above "all"? |
Posted by: Dénes September 03, 2005 07:22 pm |
I am glad I could help. BTW, the Azomures film factory from Tg-Mures is gone since. Incidentally, I was born in that town. Gen. Dénes |
Posted by: yogy September 14, 2005 08:11 pm |
Hi & thanks all, I found all AF's mentioned in my list, mainly with the help of Dénés' map and the site http://www.fallingrain.com/world/index.html . But still, I need to find - Toryshino. 146IAP was based there in 1941 before Barbarossa - Kirovograd. 132BAP, 232BAP, 60RAP " in 1941 " " and - Culm. II/SG10 was based there in 1944. Other sources say "Okecie" and "Bacan". There is a place called "Bacanu" not far from Roman... Who can help? |
Posted by: Carol I September 14, 2005 08:18 pm | ||
Kirovograd/Kirovohrad (48:30:30N 32:15:53E) is situated in Ukraine, NW of Krivoy Rog. I found its location by using http://www.multimap.com/. |
Posted by: Carol I September 14, 2005 08:53 pm | ||
I have found a reference stating that Culm or Kulm is the German name for Chełmno (Chełmno nad Wisłą) in Poland. |
Posted by: yogy September 15, 2005 11:49 am |
Thank you Carol! That Multimap is a good hint! Now I only need to find this "Toryshino"... There are ca. 10 AF's named after villages very near to each other in the area of Tandarei... Do you guys think this is true or are these just different names for one/some AF's? |
Posted by: Carol I October 26, 2005 08:16 am | ||
Wartime photos of the entrance to the Pipera airfield (from eBay). http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6219866959 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6219866959 |
Posted by: yogy November 18, 2005 10:35 pm |
Cool pic... thanks! Our work progresses slowly ![]() |
Posted by: yogy January 16, 2006 08:05 pm |
Does anyone have aerial pics of airfields located on Dénes' map or similar from the 30ies/40ies? If you want them to be kept secret, you can send me a mail to pirx AT 88-iap.de I'll keep them for myself. Thanks... |
Posted by: Carol I February 24, 2006 05:20 pm |
WWII ceremony on the Pipera airfield:![]() ![]() ![]() Source: Internet auction |
Posted by: Imperialist February 24, 2006 05:56 pm | ||
They "edited" a historical picture... ![]() |
Posted by: Dénes February 24, 2006 06:50 pm | ||
That's because of eBay police, which cancels all auctions where the Swastika can be seen (even faintly). ![]() Gen. Dénes |
Posted by: Cantacuzino February 24, 2006 08:26 pm | ||
Original picture. ( Uncensored ) ![]() http://imageshack.us |
Posted by: Carol I February 24, 2006 09:32 pm | ||
"Police" or "policy"? ![]() ![]() |
Posted by: Carol I February 24, 2006 09:36 pm | ||
As you probably know there are some countries where the Nazi-related symbols are forbidden and therefore images containing them have to be altered for public displays. |
Posted by: Carol I February 24, 2006 09:40 pm | ||
I doubt that is the original. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Posted by: Cantacuzino February 25, 2006 06:49 am | ||
I talk with "photoshop guy" and he give me the original one, otherwise i have to ask my money back ![]() |
Posted by: Dénes February 25, 2006 03:57 pm | ||
Is he the very same mysterious D.M.? ![]() Gen. Dénes |
Posted by: Cantacuzino February 25, 2006 05:54 pm | ||
Who is D.M. ? ![]() |
Posted by: Dénes February 25, 2006 10:23 pm |
Perhaps C-2 has the answer... Gen. Dénes |
Posted by: C-2 February 27, 2006 09:40 pm |
I have no ideea who is D.M! That's why I keep asking... Till I'll have an answer! |
Posted by: yogy February 28, 2006 02:56 pm |
thanks for these pics. Impresively big hangar which is visible there! |
Posted by: Cantacuzino March 02, 2006 02:13 am | ||
The hangars are still in the place today. The Aviation Museum is moved at Pipera using some of this old hangars for exhibit. |
Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu March 02, 2006 02:40 pm |
It opens on 18th march this year - if needde I could take some pics ![]() |
Posted by: C-2 March 02, 2006 07:58 pm |
Let's go there at the opening! Well take some vets with us too! Could be fun. I still cannot tell where the place is. |
Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu March 02, 2006 08:12 pm |
We are going anyway (the D13-th). Would be nice to see you guys too. |
Posted by: yogy March 14, 2006 04:31 pm |
Yes, Mytzu... Pics would be really great! Of everything we could make use off ![]() |
Posted by: yogy March 16, 2006 06:43 pm |
Soem more places: This are villages: - Soroki - Kodyma, Moldavia - Ungeny - Rybnitsa, Moldavia - Kotovsk This were airfields used by the VVS: - Todoreny, - Stefanesty, - Chizovo, - Zatishje, - Semjonovka Who can locate these? |
Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu March 16, 2006 08:16 pm |
Ungheni we already have (it is east of Iasi on the other side of Prut river). I think I also located Rabnita but for some reason I cannot see it in my list. As for the otehrs, if they are in Basarabia, do you have their original name (the romanian one) instead of the russified one ? |
Posted by: Carol I March 16, 2006 09:14 pm | ||
Soroki - Soroca - 48:08:53N 28:18:21E Kodyma - now in Ukraine - 48:09:00N 29:11:43E Ungeny - Ungheni - 47:14:25N 27:50:52E Rybnitsa - Râbniţa/Rîbniţa - 47:45:24N 29:00:37E Kotovsk - Hânceşti/Hînceşti - 46:46:46N 28:31:17E Todoreny - Todoreni/Tudoreni ? - Take a look at http://www.fallingrain.com/world/MD/a/T/o/ or http://www.fallingrain.com/world/MD/a/T/u/. Stefanesty - Ştefăneşti - There are three such places in Bessarabia (http://www.fallingrain.com/world/MD/a/350/). Chizovo - ? Zatishje - ? Semjonovka - possible in Ukraine now |
Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu March 17, 2006 10:04 am |
01. http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/mapcenter/map.aspx?TextLatitude=47.2076652410544&TextLongitude=27.8074588848332&TextAltitude=7&TextSelectedEntity=7722469&SearchEnc=false&MapStyle=Comprehensive&MapSize=Large&MapStyleSelectedIndex=0&searchTextMap=Balti&MapStylesList=Comprehensive&ZoomOnMapClickCheck=on&ResultsListbox=47.2076652410544%3B27.8074588848332%3B7%3B7722469%3BUngheni%2C+Moldova%3BLarge%3BComprehensive 02. ? Semjonovka (Odessa region) ? 03. http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/mapcenter/map.aspx?TextLatitude=39.45&TextLongitude=-98.907&TextAltitude=0&TextSelectedEntity=39070&SearchEnc=false&MapStyle=Comprehensive&MapSize=Large&MapStyleSelectedIndex=0&searchTextMap=Kotovsk&MapStylesList=Comprehensive&ZoomOnMapClickCheck=on#map_frame 04. http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/mapcenter/map.aspx?TextLatitude=47.7478956383619&TextLongitude=29.5449975379819&TextAltitude=7&TextSelectedEntity=17258&SearchEnc=false&MapStyle=Comprehensive&MapSize=Large&MapStyleSelectedIndex=0&searchTextMap=Zatishje&MapStylesList=Comprehensive&ZoomOnMapClickCheck=on&ResultsListbox=47.7478956383619%3B29.5449975379819%3B7%3B17258%3BKotovsk%2C+Odesa%2C+Ukraine%3BLarge%3BComprehensive 05. ? Chizovo ? 06. http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/mapcenter/map.aspx?TextLatitude=47.6173058365259&TextLongitude=28.8164417497842&TextAltitude=7&TextSelectedEntity=7723263&SearchEnc=false&MapStyle=Comprehensive&MapSize=Large&MapStyleSelectedIndex=0&searchTextMap=Stefanesty&MapStylesList=Comprehensive&ZoomOnMapClickCheck=on&ResultsListbox=47.6173058365259%3B28.8164417497842%3B7%3B7723263%3BCuizovca+%5BKuyzovka%5D%2C+Moldova%3BLarge%3BComprehensive 07. http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/mapcenter/map.aspx?TextLatitude=52.174213390367&TextLongitude=32.5870579263734&TextAltitude=6&TextSelectedEntity=30277&SearchEnc=false&MapStyle=Comprehensive&MapSize=Large&MapStyleSelectedIndex=0&searchTextMap=Todoreny&MapStylesList=Comprehensive&ZoomOnMapClickCheck=on&ResultsListbox=52.174213390367%3B32.5870579263734%3B7%3B30277%3BSemionovka+%5BSem%C3%ABnovka%5D%2C+Chernihiv%2C+Ukraine%3BLarge%3BComprehensive#map_frame 08. http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/mapcenter/map.aspx?TextLatitude=39.45&TextLongitude=-98.907&TextAltitude=0&TextSelectedEntity=39070&SearchEnc=false&MapStyle=Comprehensive&MapSize=Large&MapStyleSelectedIndex=0&searchTextMap=rabnita&MapStylesList=Comprehensive 09. http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/mapcenter/map.aspx?TextLatitude=47.332753325514&TextLongitude=29.8501635599089&TextAltitude=7&TextSelectedEntity=8939693&SearchEnc=false&MapStyle=Comprehensive&MapSize=Large&MapStyleSelectedIndex=0&searchTextMap=ungheni&MapStylesList=Comprehensive&ZoomOnMapClickCheck=on&ResultsListbox=47.332753325514%3B29.8501635599089%3B7%3B8939693%3BZatish%27ye%2C+Odesa%2C+Ukraine%3BLarge%3BComprehensive#map_frame Kodyma and Soroca are too far north. |
Posted by: Carol I March 17, 2006 10:32 am | ||
Mytzu, your map is for Kotovsk, Russia. The Kotovsk in Bessarabia is now named Hânceşti/Hînceşti. And, to make matters worse, there is also a Kotovsk in nowadays Ukraine at 47:32:43N 29:38:40E. |
Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu March 17, 2006 10:39 am |
Sorry I put wrong link - it was one lower. http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/mapcenter/map.aspx?TextLatitude=39.45&TextLongitude=-98.907&TextAltitude=0&TextSelectedEntity=39070&SearchEnc=false&MapStyle=Comprehensive&MapSize=Large&MapStyleSelectedIndex=0&searchTextMap=Kotovsk&MapStylesList=Comprehensive&ZoomOnMapClickCheck=on#map_frame is correct one. Thanks Carol ! |
Posted by: Carol I March 17, 2006 03:54 pm | ||
Sorry Mytzu, it is still Kotovsk, Russia. It appears that the address of the page does not change when you choose to view the map of another location. I suspect the same happened for your http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/mapcenter/map.aspx?TextLatitude=47.6173058365259&TextLongitude=28.8164417497842&TextAltitude=7&TextSelectedEntity=7723263&SearchEnc=false&MapStyle=Comprehensive&MapSize=Large&MapStyleSelectedIndex=0&searchTextMap=Stefanesty&MapStylesList=Comprehensive&ZoomOnMapClickCheck=on&ResultsListbox=47.6173058365259%3B28.8164417497842%3B7%3B7723263%3BCuizovca+%5BKuyzovka%5D%2C+Moldova%3BLarge%3BComprehensive. Your link is for Ştefăneşti in Botoşani county. |
Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu March 17, 2006 04:19 pm |
Stefanesti in Botosani county is good ![]() I made a screenshot with kotovsk - for some reason the link doesn't change when I change the town name: ![]() PS: thanks again Carol ! |
Posted by: Carol I March 17, 2006 05:16 pm | ||
Then I would like to point out that there are several others locations bearing the name Ştefăneşti on the left side of the Pruth as well (at least according to http://www.fallingrain.com/world/MD/a/350/). |
Posted by: Carol I March 17, 2006 05:22 pm | ||
That is Kotovsk, Ukraine. Hânceşti (formerly Kotovsk) in Bessarabia is the one marked on the map below. http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/mapcenter/map.aspx?TextLatitude=46.831014459274&TextLongitude=28.5937485545378&TextAltitude=7&TextSelectedEntity=7723326&SearchEnc=false&MapStyle=Comprehensive&MapSize=Large&MapStyleSelectedIndex=0&searchTextMap=H%C3%A2nce%C5%9Fti&MapStylesList=Comprehensive&ZoomOnMapClickCheck=on&ResultsListbox=46.831014459274%3B28.5937485545378%3B7%3B7723326%3BKotovsk%2C+Moldova%3BLarge%3BComprehensive |
Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu March 17, 2006 05:40 pm |
Thanks, I know where Hancesti is, I have it for some time on the map - but I it is not the one we need, we need the on in Odessa county. |
Posted by: yogy March 17, 2006 11:08 pm |
Ungeny must be a different Ungeny, I believe. Because in Ungeny, this happened: Ml.Leit. Atrashkevitch Fiodor *1916 Shot down by AAA near Ungeny on 26.06.41. Was definitely not near TirguMures, I think it is this places: http://www.fallingrain.com/world/MD/56/Ungheni.html near Pruth river... Todoreny, Romania was a VVS-AF in June 1944 Semjonovka, Odessa region was a VVS-AF also in 24.06.41. Mabe this: http://www.fallingrain.com/world/MD/0/Semionovca.html if it is on the east side of Pruth Chizovo, Odessa region was a VVS-AF also in 1941, maybe this place: http://www.fallingrain.com/world/UP/0/Chizhevka.html I think we can get it together all ![]() ![]() |
Posted by: Carol I March 17, 2006 11:19 pm | ||
It is the Ungheni at 47:14:25N 27:50:52E, on the left bank of the Pruth. Try select "Ungheni, Moldova" at the link provided by Mytzu. As mentioned before, the address link does not change when you choose to view the map of another location with the same name. |
Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu March 23, 2006 10:21 am |
Balti:![]() Kotovsk: ![]() Zatishje: ![]() Stefanesti: ![]() Todireni: ![]() Ungheni: ![]() Rabnita: ![]() Soroca: ![]() We must still find Chizovo and Semjonovka in Odessa region. Also I need to find where Gorlovka is (reference in IAR-80 book at page 114), it might be in Odessa region but not 100% sure (it is for sure on the route Odessa - Tuzov). |
Posted by: Carol I March 23, 2006 10:48 am | ||
During what period? |
Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu March 23, 2006 11:01 am |
1941 - Chizovo, - Zatishje, - Semjonovka 1944 - Todoreny, - Stefanesty, |
Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu March 23, 2006 12:01 pm |
At page 141 in IAR80 book it says: "Esc.59Vt cu 10 avioane IAR-80 cu aerodromul de baza Galati, aerodromuri de lucru Ciocarlia si Cetatea Alba" , any ideea where Ciocarlia airfield was ? I found 2 such villages: one in Constanta county the other in Ialomita county, by the look of it the one in Ialomita is out of question and I am not very convinced the one in Cta is the one (me zinks it is E of Galati somwehere). |
Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu March 26, 2006 10:45 am |
At page 172 in IAR-80 book it mentions Gheraesti airfield at Bacau - could this be a mistake and actually means Gheraesti airfield at Roman ? Edited: hmm, at page 195 it says "Ordin Nr.263/26.05.1944. Gr.2 cu Esc. 65 si 66Vt se deplaseaza pe aerodromul Gheraesti, Jud. Bacau in ziua de 27 mai 1944." Does anyone know where Gheraesti/Bacau is ? |