Tidal Wave Footage Photos, 15th AAF and Luftwaffe, 'Black Sunday', 1 August 1943

The source is Signal Squadron -In Action.

This post has been edited by Cantacuzino on April 08, 2005 07:28 am

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I have posted this illustration before but perhaps it will help clarify the fuel system for some newer viewers. The top diagram shows the tank interconnections for B-24s with serials 41-23640 through 42-40917. These planes used the rather primitive "U-Hose" connections at the main fuel transfer panel.

The lower diagram shows the system in use beginning with serial 42-40918, when selector valves took the place of the U-Hoses.

Neither diagram includes the bomb bay tank connections, which entered the transfer panel through the pump inlet. A selector valve allowed for one or two bomb bay tanks and a booster pump was located in the bomb bay tank line.

As previously noted, the 41-11xxx serials did not have the auxiliary (Tokyo) tanks.



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Hi Bob,

Al Blue has posted a page from the same manual set that I have for the B-24D and my comments here are in reference to that. As you can see, those top 6 tanks are the left and right auxiliary tanks. The groups labeled 1,2,3,4 are comprised of the original 12 tanks and are referred to as 'fuel systems'. From the TM:

"...The wing auxiliary transfer system is used in series with the main transfer system to move fuel from either or both of the wing aux. systems to any of the four main systems. Generally, the fuel from the wing aux. systems should be moved into the four main systems, equally, just as soon as sufficient fuel has been used from the main systems."

For example, the first illustration shows fuel being transferred from the L.H. Auxiliary system into system #3. As I'm sure you've noticed, The Sandman would have carried this type of system.

To answer your questions, it appears as though the fuel could and should be moved to any tanks as required. One thing of interest is that each
of the four fuel systems have different capacities: #1 617 gal. #2 557 gal, #3 556 gal, #4 613 gal. The bomb bay tank(s) had their own pump and selector valve and would have operated the same as the auxiliary tanks.

Hope this helps,

Pat

Victor / Denes

Ditto my post to Dan regarding the issue.


Now into an other topic, what is the Volga Radar station of the ARR of WWII.......was it a Wuerzburg or other type or just a Wuerzburg renamed Volga ?

Alex

Alex, it's very difficult to know what remarks and what phrase could mislead someone as a personal attack. Most of us are not "Shakespeare english" experts.
Regarding the book " Vanatorul IAR 80" from my point of view it's one of the best. But it's not an easy book to read with out more knowledge about romanian aviation. Yes there are some errors ( nobody is perfect). But the amount of genuine informations from archiv is pure gold for reserchers like us. What i want from you Alex is ask me ( or Victor and Denes ) about errors found it in romanian aviation books. During years we lost a lot of time to correct the errors in those books. So it's not necessary to reinvent the wheel just ask and you will have the proper answer.

Thanks for understanding,
Dan.

Dan

Please dont bring that up with Shakespeare English you well know that's not the case and not what I've meant....what I meant is :

Daca ai impresia ca cineva are o greasala relevanta si stii de eroarele din cartea de subiect....adauga o remarca in legatura cu erorea din carte in loc so discuzi o erouare care nare nici o legatura cu mine sau care no o cunosc deloc.....ait tras concluzii de eruarea mea in loc sa te referi la eroare din carte.

My Rumanian is certainly not poetic nor gramathically correct but I am certain you get the picture now and we can finally change subject towards TW history on which you used to be very cooperative and productive in the past and which I hope you will start with new spirts again

Take Care
Alex

This post has been edited by alexkdl on April 08, 2005 10:34 am

Lety's get back to TW.

The Volga was a codename for the radar I believe. From what I know, a standard WW2 German radar station had two Freya surveillance radars and two Wuerzburg-Riese guidance radars.

Victor

I have some books on the German Radars , though I wasn't aware ARR code nammed them Volga...rather a very irronical name

Alex

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This post has been edited by Cantacuzino on April 08, 2005 12:25 pm

Very strange codename "Volga" in '43 for radars. As far as i know the german radar stations cod name in Romania '44 were" roman" origin like "Tiberius" , ' Cornelius" or "Brutus " ( Boteni).

Dan.

This post has been edited by Cantacuzino on April 08, 2005 11:59 am

Dan

Regarding your Rumanian language mesage, ROGER that , and lest move on !

Regarding the Volgas , thanks for the clarification

Alex

The radars belonged to the Luftwaffe. Romania and ARR didn't have any radars during WW2, except for teh Lichtenstein's on the several Bf-110s of the 1st Night Fighter Squadron.

Dan it would be interesting to someday photograph a former radarsite.

As far as i know romanians had some Wurtzburgs radars around Bucharest in '44. But i don't know if used by AA flak , ARR or both. ( source Valeriu Avram-Aeronautica -10 june'44 article)

Regarding today ex radarsite if you know one ( i mean the exact position) it will be no problem to take picture ( but not in military zone like Otopeni airport).

Dan.

Pat,

Thanks for the explanation. I'm buying auto gas at $2.59 per gal so to fill a B24 with just auto gas, not avgas, it would cost around $8,029.00 and this X 178 B24s that started out on the Ploesti, we now have $1,429,162. This is worthless info but one thing we all seem to forget, the United States SUPPLIED MOST OF ENGLAND'S AND AMERICAN'S OIL DURING WWII FROM OUR WELLS IN THE US! SO WHY CAN'T WE GET BACK TO SUPPLYING OUR OWN. THE OTHER DAY I RECEIVED THIS EXPLAIONATION OF OUR OIL SHORTAGE......

TITLED..................."OIL SHORTAGE IN THE US"...............................


Oil shortage the US was created because no one checked the oil.
Our problem is geographical....We have oil in Texas, Oklahoma and
Alaska. BUT OUR DIP STICKS ARE IN WASHINGTON, DC!

BOB S.

Dan

Did u visit the women jail at Ploesti and did u complete the B-24?

Alex