What fighter plane do you think Romania should use?

Python-4 missile? Reverse thing: you think an F-16 can avoid that missile?
Maybe, a good MiG-29 pilot can have more chances to do that - i don't think sirian pilots are so well trained / skilled...

Anyway, Python-4 is a good weapon!

What if a sirian pilot launched a russian short range missile, more capable than Sidewinder?

Iama

I don't know if Romania has enough money to buy one of these fighter, but I vote for Su-27 or F-16

The pair of Isreali F-16's shoot down the two Syrian Mig-29's for one reason; the Isreali pilots are much better trained then their Syrian opponents. The Mig-29 Fulcrum is at least an even match the F-16 in a Dogfight. And Russian AA missile's are extreme capable, such as the excellent AA-11 Archer. Which is one the most lethal AAM's in service. It does not matter how good your equipment is, if your Airmen are not trained; well enough to fully exploit it's capability.

Thank you

Fratello,

The Romanian Air Force is not considering the Su-27 Flanker; although I agree with you, in that the Su-27 is a potent fighter. The choice will most likey be between the SAAB/BAE JAS-39 Gripen and F-16 Falcon. With BAE lobbying hard to get the JAS-39 Gripen selected.

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According to reports coming out of Washington DC the; The reported shoot down down of two Syrian Mig-29 Fulcrums by Isreali F-16 in September. Are 100% false. Isreal has publicaly stated that no such incident ever took place!!!......
Apprently the rumor was started in Washington DC, by a Syrian exile group, that has the backing of the US Government. I smell scandel!!!.....


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First Hungarian Gripen in the Air


Source: Swedish Materiel Agency, FMV


"The first NATO-interoperable Hungarian Gripen fighter has made its maiden flight today in Sweden.

The maiden flight of the first Gripen aircraft – destined for Hungary - took place today 16 February 2005 at Saab’s facility in Linköping, Sweden. The aircraft, which was flown by a test pilot from Saab, was painted in grey with Hungary’s national insignia on the tail before its first flight.

“This flight is a very important milestone for the Hungarian program and shows that the production of Gripen aircraft for Hungary is on schedule” says Mats Hansson, FMV Program Director Gripen for the Hungary program.

Following this maiden flight, the aircraft now enters a period of ground and flight-testing to verify that all systems are operating in accordance with the Hungarian Gripen configuration plan.

This is the first of the 14 Gripen aircraft (12 single seat and 2 dual seat) that Hungary will lease for a period of 10 years (2006-2016).

Following this lease period, Hungary will own the aircraft in accordance with the lease and purchase agreement signed between the Swedish and Hungarian authorities in February 2003. Production of the first five (5) Hungarian Gripen aircraft, which will be delivered in March 2006, is continuing at Saab’s facility in Linköping.

The first group of Hungarian pilots has begun training at the Swedish Air Force wing F7, at Såtenäs in Sweden.

In April 2005, the first group of Hungarian technicians will start their training at the Swedish Armed Forces Aerotechnical Services School outside the town of Halmstad "

We can count... one, two, tree... how much steps ahead of us had Hungary in advance? If we can sign an agreement / contract with SAAB or EADS, in what time we can have Grippen on our skye? ... i can't stop to think about another variant - a cooperation between Romania and China for a trade - new engines for our Lancers! It will be a strong point for us, because, for sure, LanceR's will remain for more than 5 - 7 years in "front line". And, the engine is the problem of our fighters.

Iama

There's no doubt that for us f16 is the choice for maaaany reasons I won't gave them here.So,my vote goes to the VIper

I still believe a local project will be the best for us.Or a plaine build in cooperation(JAS 39 for example).From foreign plaines,i will take MIG 29,new models.Improuved range,better maneuvreabillity,good for our not too well equiped bases.Is over F 16 or JAS 39.I read about swedish pilots who,after fly a JAS 39,say that prefer a MIG 29.Unfortunately,we dont continue MIG 29 SNIPER program,and,much worse,eliminate MIG 29 from our AF,and give their base,Mihail Kogalniceanu(best of us)to americans.Its verry posible,soon,to buy couple third hand out dated F 16,in exchange for this

If you relay on military technique bought FROM ONE COUNTRY ALONE then you are doomed . F16 is the mainstay aircraft in tens of countries,it will always be one spare. Besides, crappy F16 are doing the Afganistan war, I talk here about the KoLM , the Dutch airforces. What is Gripen doing except promising things? F16 is a tested,proven aircraft.In combat! In real missions!And guess what? Is still on duty.Why? Because is so versatile , so damn good.Some of the models are cheap , an upgrade is a good thing for many but A LOT of them already passed MLU,so we are watching to ANOTHER 25-30 YEARS in service. You see , we talk about real aircrafts here. I don't have nothing against the Gripen , but try to put yourself in the shoes of MApN and decide what you'd get. For the price of one single Gripen you can get 2 "crappy" F16 that you can use as spare parts. And to all thinking Hungary or Czech Rep is ahead of Romania here's one thing. Hungary and Czech Rep did not buy Gripen , they lease them. On long term. I don't know the whole details of the lease contract but these Gripens are not bought. On the other hand , both countries DO NOT need to bother too much for defence since the border of NATO is Romania's border, Poland and The Baltics. So for them , is a very good thing not to buy , but to lease.We , well , I sure hope we get a top class fighter , but if you ask me , this is not the Gripen. Does not suit us at all.I gave some reasons, there are many more.Just think about Israeli-Romanian coop in Lancer programe , same thing could be expanded to the Viper , and there are more things. You will see , there won't be any Gripen carying the tri-colors cocards. It will be the Viper or another US plane, or maybe ... nothing at all.
Oh and udar, one thing more , why would Romania need to mantain air superiority.More precisely where? And since when JAS39 is an ASF appareil? And why 48? That's barely 2 squadrons.

This post has been edited by Zayets on February 24, 2005 07:21 pm

Zayets

Just a comment, the previous posts on here that F-16 is crappy aircraft is something synonymous to people who played computer games and are just aviation freeks with little knowledge about modern fighter aircraft characteristics , people who dream about planes and being pilots ,though in reality they have little or no knowledge at all about performances and operational assests of the F-16 and the Grippen but in general of any plane whatsoever. ..all they do is copy/ paste reports from media ....things they dont understand a dumn about .

I may compare this if you will to an other comment on here of someone two months ago saying that Antonescu was a Rumanian hero...and was unfairly trialed and put on front of a firing squad....the post was also cynical enough to mention that streets in Tel Aviv and US should name streets after him ...or some other derrogatory comments on here adressed at the US,NATO...relligions and nationalities....and on numerous occassions the administrator had to repeatedly intervine and put an end to the actual crap .

Most of the computer forum people live on advanced phantasies and what struck me most on here is that there are people who still using this forum for wrong purposes and for lashing out their poissonous frustration at the others....I started my carrier by flying real airplanes and not airplanes through PC's and I therefore asses your comment as professional and pertinent on how the F-16 should be looked at .

Let me end by saying that the Israeli AF has proven to the rest of the world including the country of those who bitch about F-16 what are the operational assests of the F-16's , including " the know how " which been even implemented on their own MIG-29's and MIG-21's by ELBIT Israel and is one of the single non peace time AF's in the world with proven combat track record and expertise, every modern AF keep scanning and learning from Israel ....irronically even United Arab Emirates followed IAF and ordered Block 60 while rejecting more Mirage 2000's,Hawk-2000's and Grippens ...

The fact that Hungaria has leased the Grippens from the Sweeds had nothing at all to do with the operational performances of this jet and the real HUAF next generation jet and its operational needs . The the long series of engineering misshaps at SAAB Linkoeping on SAB-37 and 39 and 3 test flight crashes one of them over Stockholm will be felt later on by the Husars and the Husars tax payers in a way they won't forget it and may turn down the current Government ......I betcha !

Bellow an F-16 view from CODE ONE

Al

This post has been edited by alexkdl on March 03, 2005 07:08 pm

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Amen! Finally, another F-16 fan...

You're right. I don't have anything against the Gripen either, but some people just jumped on it and think it was built by God himself! To my knowledge it hasn't been tested in battle, whereas the F-16 has graduated all battle tests with flying colors.

Personally, I think most of the people who dismiss the F-16 do so because it is a symbol of the US, rather than based on its capabilities. They just hate to see an American plane (or anything) succeed.

Madabesc ,,absolutely ,is exactly as you stated. Thank you !

Al

This post has been edited by alexkdl on March 03, 2005 06:57 pm

F-16 with AIM 120 AMRAAM it is a deadlyest tool!


Iama

How about UCAVs? There's a niche that could actually be pioneered and exploited by Romanians, 100 years after Vuia, Vlaicu and Coanda!
On second thoughts, perhaps I shouldnt have drunk so much cofee today.