What fighter plane do you think Romania should use?

MLU programme included structural - don't know the proper words.. Anyway, MLU had something to structure of the plane?
Ammo for gun in large quantitys, or PRNDs, because AMRAAM is 800000 - 1 mil. Maybe Sparrow, at 200 k? (Bleah!) Or israely made? I have doubts about russian rockets to be used - maybe what we have yet in stock.

Anyway, we need to have BVR capabilitys.

Iama

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article9.html

That sounds good, considering our naval requirements too.

This post has been edited by Imperialist on April 15, 2005 09:13 am

What plane, before 90, had the role of anti-shiping missions in Romania, and what plane is now used for this type of actions? They were from Mihail Kogalniceanu and/or Borcea (Baraganu) air bases? What offensive armament used/use (not free falling bombs, or PRND's)? I think Hong's and Il-28 had just free falling bombs.

http://www.iii.co.uk/news/?type=afxnews&ar...&action=article

Here is an article who surprise me: Dassault Aviation wins 6 bln eur Rafale order from Saudi Arabia - report. Was Rafale in views of Saudi Arabia? When? In faces of what other planes he win? Surprising news.. This article cited "Les Echo"..

You know more?

Iama

I dont think our Navy had an air wing independent from the Air Force.
Its more likely that the Air Force was used to defend the air space over our waters, and it had interceptors on the bases you mentioned.
The Mig21s could have been employed in anti-shipping actions, given their ground-attack capabilities, but I dont know if we had squadrons specifically for this function only. So their ground-attack weapons were the ones used in anti-shipping too.

Again, I have no exact details about this.






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We never had anything like Naval Air force. Event the helicopters onboard our ships belonged to Airforce.
From what I know the only guided AG weapon we had was the Kh23(?27) Kerry. A beam ridder . Not very good weapon. Basicaly we had Rockets and Bombs.

We had obsolete weapons.
Btw the AMRAAM cost was around $386,000 initially. It went down because of larger quantities produced. That is why US fighters can afford to launch a bunch of them.

Considering that we order (after some sources -actually a very doubtfull info) 60 Python 3.

I don't suspect that we will aquire more. Most of the countries that aquired AIM120 aquired more or less 10-12 per firing plane.

I don't rememebr where i see 800-1 mil / AMRAAM. But, if one of this missiles of this type costs what you say.. it is a good point. Well, i read in another forum about Python, but nothing about nomber.
Israel says about Python like about a better than AIM 9L US made missile, and is battle tested against syrian planes. China had his licensed copy PL8 from aproximately 1990, and an excellent point in favour of this type of missiles is her HMS compatybylity. Good for our LanceR. At base, is superior to AA2 Atoll..

That squadron of helos - i forgot the name of the base, near Constanta (now closed, befor MK to be .. ) was a squadron of Air Force, or an independent unit with role in litoral missions?

Iama

If Romania is going to purchase block 15/MLU F-16's that is fine, however because they are second-hand and much cheaper then new block-50 F-16's which costs more 40 million a piece. Then the Romanian Air Force should replace the Lancer on a one to one basis. Meaning that 100 F-16 A/B block-15 MLU need to be purchased, so that our Air Force does not contract any more! Are combat assets are already less then a third of what they once were. At a unit price of around 5-10 a plane, that means between 500 mil. to 1 billion $ for an Air Force, made up entirely F-16's. FMS funds and finacial offsets should help pay for such a purchase.

Thank You

From what I've read the Python3 was more like a improvement of the 9L with better capabilities than 9M.
In any case we had also R-60s produced here.

R-60 manufactured here is 100 % Aphid, or some domestic improvement?

Iama

Well it was produced by http://www.elmec.ro/r_about.html Electromecanica Ploiesti
It was called RAV-RS. I think it was the first version of the missile or the 60M.
Who knows maybe it was improved. All missiles what we produced where somehow Improved, but not by much. Perhaps some part where replaced by components made here.

http://www.elmec.ro/eng_services.html here a link where R60 apear.

What are we going to do with the LanceR's after they have been replaced?
Would they still be useful for anything? Or, they will share the fate of MiG23 and IAR93? Or will be used for advanced training / agressor type of missions?

I ask myself why MiG23 was not used for this role?

How many two seat Floggers had Romania?

Iama

We will make our Agriculture the most advanced in the world, by employing jet crop-dusters.
You can already see mr. Ion "din vale" taking lessons to pilot jet crop-dusters...
With these guys trained for ground-attacking crop destroyers, Romania could also have an important reserve of jet fighter pilots.
The "Morometii" squadrons could wreak havoc on any enemy...

p.s. just a joke

The lancers will have same fate as Mig 29's ..stripped of all Electronics and let decay in open field.

Unfortunatelly, are much chances to ...you are right, Tomcat.
Well, others had chosen the proper way:

"First JAS-39 Gripen Fighters Arrive in Czech Republic
By AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE, PRAGUE


The first six supersonic Jas-39 Gripen fighters leased from Sweden by the Czech Republic arrived there April 18, the Czech defense ministry said.

The Gripens — 12 one-seater JAS-39 Cs and two two-seater training JAS-39Ds — will be leased for 10 years at a cost of 19.6 billion koruna (649 million euros, $842 million dollars), after which the country has an option to buy them or returned them to Sweden.

Eight more will join the Czech air force by the end of August, the ministry said.


The planes gradually will replace the obsolete soviet MiG-21s and will be based at the Caslav air force base, 70 kilometers (44 miles) east of Prague.

They will be equipped with American AIM-120 medium-range air to air missiles and will be used to defend the country’s air space as well as operations with NATO, which the Czechs joined in 1999.

The deal, signed in June 2004, also includes a multi-purpose simulator, a mission planning system, complete technical equipment for the jets and training for both pilots and ground personnel.

Under the terms of the agreement, Sweden is committed to investing 130 percent of the contract’s value in so called “off-sets” in the Czech Republic, 20 percent of which will be direct investments into the Czech economy.

The lease of the Gripens was approved by former Prime Minister Vladimir Spidla’s government last June.

The government initially planned to buy more planes but after the 2002 devastating floods the number was cut. The opposition Civic Democratics (ODS) opposed the deal, arguing that it was beyond the country’s financial capacity.

Hungary has also decided to buy Gripens complete with AIM-120 missiles. "

They will have BVR. Nice to have neighbours superior in power, even they are allies.

Iama

Romania must maintain a viable Air Force, in order to this Romania needs modern mutli-role fighters. There are a number of choices, the SAAB JAS-39 and Lockheed-Martin F-16 being the most likey selections.They are both excellent aircraft, capable of performing any mission which they are assigned to perform. I personnaly prefer the JAS-39 Gripen, I feel that it is the better fighter. However I could live with the F-16, being selected as long as:

A: A reasonable number where purchased, at least 48 if new, 100 if second-hand.

B: There is some aid to Romania, in the form of FMS funds and off-sets to the Romania Aviation industry.

C: They where well equipped to the lastest standards, and armed with AMRAM BVR missiles!

Thank You