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> What fighter plane do you think Romania should use?
 
What fighter plane do you think Romania should use?
MIG 29 [ 19 ]  [14.84%]
F 16 [ 28 ]  [21.88%]
a new IAR design, built here [ 36 ]  [28.12%]
JAS-39 [ 59 ]  [46.09%]
Su-27 [ 17 ]  [13.28%]
Mirage 2000 [ 4 ]  [3.12%]
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Victor
Posted on December 08, 2005 06:39 pm
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In the usual lines of many Romanian reporters, who although they lack the basic knowledge behind the subject, they write an article trying to extract a sensational note that would appeal to lesser informed people. They should stick to reporting on the latest breast enlargement operation of Daniela Gyorfi or on Andreea Esca's salary.
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Posted on December 08, 2005 08:28 pm
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QUOTE (Victor @ Dec 8 2005, 06:39 PM)
In the usual lines of many Romanian reporters, who although they lack the basic knowledge behind the subject, they write an article trying to extract a sensational note that would appeal to lesser informed people. They should stick to reporting on the latest breast enlargement operation of Daniela Gyorfi or on Andreea Esca's salary.

Did Daniela Gyorfy enlarged her breasts? Again? Man, I tell you what, you wouldn't see how she actualy looks because your view will be obstructed by this new pair of breasts. But maybe that's the whole idea!
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Iamandi
Posted on December 09, 2005 09:35 am
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your view will be obstructed by this new pair of breasts


Wow! This girl have more pair of breasts? laugh.gif

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Posted on December 09, 2005 09:41 am
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And to stay on topic, would Andrea Esca buy an F-16 with her salary? Or she's not that rich?
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Imperialist
Posted on December 16, 2005 11:20 am
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Well, however bad the reporters are, the question remains - what happened with MiG29 Sniper?

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EADS has joined with RSK-MiG to offer modernisation packages for the MiG-29 and has signed an agreement with Romania for product support and modernisation. EADS, Aerostar of Romania and Elbit of Israel have also launched an upgrade, MiG-29 Sniper, which includes modernisation and maintenance of the airframe and engines, and upgrades of the avionics with new Elbit digital mission computer and weapon systems, and installation of a glass cockpit.
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Primul zbor de incercare a variantei modernizate a avut loc pe data de 5 mai 2000 si a durat 42 de minute si s-a desfasurat la Aerostar Bacau.


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Posted on December 16, 2005 11:34 am
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It was one prototype which was also exhibited. As for the rest of the Fulcrums, there were some nice pictures (I have lost the link sad.gif ) , showing them outside, before being moved to conservation I believe. Sniper was a nice programe by reading what was all about, I guess the maintenance money in the long run was one of the main problems.
I, for one, don't understand why the project didn't make it, Sniper was not only meant for internal market.
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Dani
Posted on December 17, 2005 07:07 am
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http://www.paulnann.com/country/Romania/MiG29.htm

http://www.airsceneuk.org.uk/hangar/2001/romania/romania.htm (2 pictures scrolling down)

http://www.raf.mod.uk/news/archive/2003/limage_harrrom.html ("A Harrier T10 taxying past a derelict MiG-29 fighter of the Romanian Air Force")
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Posted on December 19, 2005 06:02 pm
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The Mig-21 lancer is currently serving the Romania Air Force well. However I new multi-role fighter is needed and should replace the Mig-21 Lancer on a one to one basis. In my opinion there are 3 excellant choices for Ro AF the SAAB/BAE JAS-39 Gripen C/D, F-16 Block 52 C/D and the most recent model of the Mig-29 Fulcrum which has amongst other improvements thrust vectoring. All are awesome multi-role fighters and any of the trio, would transform the Ro AF into the most potent AF in Central and Eastern Europe.


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Posted on December 20, 2005 06:12 am
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And of course, in one with a powerfull economy if we may have 3 type of planes of A class. smile.gif

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Posted on December 20, 2005 06:25 am
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QUOTE (lancer25k @ Dec 19 2005, 06:02 PM)
The Mig-21 lancer is currently serving the Romania Air Force well. However I new multi-role fighter is needed and should replace the Mig-21 Lancer on a one to one basis. In my opinion there are 3 excellant choices for Ro AF the SAAB/BAE JAS-39 Gripen C/D, F-16 Block 52 C/D and the most recent model of the Mig-29 Fulcrum which has amongst other improvements thrust vectoring. All are awesome multi-role fighters and any of the trio, would transform the Ro AF into the most potent AF in Central and Eastern Europe.


Thank You cool.gif smile.gif

I doubt we'll get 52C/D , but you never know smile.gif That, in the case we'll go for the Falcon. For the other two options I can't comment because for JAS39 there's no combat record (and they have big problems supplying features included in package) adn for the Fulcrum ... hmmmmm. We are in NATO, isn't it? I believe that will be ruled out. Fulcrum is my favorite Russian aircraft,but maybe it will not be such a wise choice. Wait and see.
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Posted on December 20, 2005 09:41 pm
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QUOTE (Zayets @ Dec 20 2005, 09:25 AM)
Wait and see.

A good word "see" biggrin.gif
So, let's see till then, around 240-250 pictures of Romanian aircrafts and helicopters
Enjoy!
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Posted on December 21, 2005 06:28 am
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QUOTE (Iamandi @ Dec 20 2005, 06:12 AM)
And of course, in one with a powerfull economy if we may have 3 type of planes of A class. smile.gif

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Iamandi,
In Todays, world even rich nations, are going with 1 type of front line fighter. Some example include France with the Rafale, Sweden with the JAS-39 Gripen and Spain, Germany, Italy and the UK with the Eurofighter.

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Posted on December 21, 2005 06:31 am
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Yes, i know. In the end of my post (quoted by you) it is a smilie.

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Posted on December 21, 2005 07:06 am
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QUOTE (Zayets @ Dec 20 2005, 06:25 AM)
QUOTE (lancer25k @ Dec 19 2005, 06:02 PM)
The Mig-21 lancer is currently serving the Romania Air Force well. However I new multi-role fighter is needed and should replace the Mig-21 Lancer on a one to one basis. In my opinion there are 3 excellant choices for Ro AF the SAAB/BAE JAS-39 Gripen C/D, F-16 Block 52 C/D and the most recent model of the Mig-29 Fulcrum which has amongst other improvements thrust vectoring. All are awesome multi-role fighters and any of the trio, would transform the Ro AF into the most potent AF in Central and Eastern Europe.


Thank You cool.gif  smile.gif

I doubt we'll get 52C/D , but you never know smile.gif That, in the case we'll go for the Falcon. For the other two options I can't comment because for JAS39 there's no combat record (and they have big problems supplying features included in package) adn for the Fulcrum ... hmmmmm. We are in NATO, isn't it? I believe that will be ruled out. Fulcrum is my favorite Russian aircraft,but maybe it will not be such a wise choice. Wait and see.

Zayets,

You make excellant points, I however there are few points of my own, that I would like to make. I was thinking that Romania would most likey going for new aircarft. If Romania does not it will most get used F-16 A/B Block-15/20/MLU.
The Gripen does not have a combat record, however its agile, small, moderately priced, rugged and potent dogfighter. I have little doubt that the Ro AF's well trained airmen, could defeat any foe flying the JAS-39.
Finally, just because we are in NATO; that does not mean that we can't buy Mig-29's if we want too. Other NATO nations have Mig-29's, in a free market all are welcomed to compete.
Don't beleave the propaganda about Mig-29 being inferior to western fighters. In training exerises against German and Indian Mig-29's with good pilots, the Fulcrums have proved that they can beat F-15, F-18 and even F-16's. Iraqi and Serbian pilots where not trained and flying alot of hours to maintain there skills. Still there is some evidance that the an Iraqi Mig-29 shoot down a USN F/A-18 and Serbian Mig-29's shoot down a F-15E and at least one F-117. So picture what the currant model Mig-29 could do with our great pilots. cool.gif

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Posted on December 21, 2005 09:53 am
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I don't believe "Western" propaganda. Mig29 is one of the best aircraft today. If it will be my choice I will buy 50 Snipers assuming the programme went on. The only problem is that - politicaly seen - we can't buy (now that we have scrapped ~20 of them) Russian equipment non compatible with NATO "standards". And honestly, I know not to believe anymore what Russians are writting on factory specs. Factory sheet detail is one thing, reality is another one. Add to these the maintenance cost (2 engines) and you will have only two options : F16 and JAS39. Now, also politicaly, Sweden is not NATO member although they are producing NATO compatible appareils. Seen that American hype today in Romania and the problems Czecs had with their Gripens I would say that balance goes Falcon side. Add to this Israeli experience in upgrading Falcons and good relation we have regarding this issue there's one option left: F16.
Now, all this crap can be cut if MApN will order a totaly different type of aircraft (JSF,F18 or even Rafale and Mirage). But this won't be the case (cost) and I believe we are staying with the Falcons. Obviously, I may be very wrong and I do not expect our govt. to think logically when so much money is involved wink.gif
I will still wait.And then see.What it really comes to us smile.gif
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