What fighter plane do you think Romania should use?

Why? Because our politicians are idiots. I bet something dirty was involved again.
As long as morons lead us, don't expect things to get better. Every minister in our country is most likely an incompetent fool. The justice minister, agriculture minister, defense minister, Taricianu, their all fools. Their loyalty is to their party.

even the MiG-29 border obsolescence as a multi-role weapons platform nowadays, except maybe MiG-35, of which there arn't actually many being build. and you'll depend on Russia for maintenance and spare parts.
Poland took the Mig-29s from Germany for the symbolic price of 1€ as an intermediate solution until they recive the F-16.

do u know how much USA payd for the moldovan mig-29 ?
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2006/...ig-29-sale.html
of course these jets would require major overhaul and upgrade
but I DOUBT these costs would be significant higher than the lancer upgrade.
I dont want to hear any crying anymore about coruption here in romania cause it obvious to me that we could have bribed that man and we did not.

you should be aware, that most major weapon sales (and not only) involve some form of corruption.
that price was for the USA and it includes political lobby for the seller. it would have been a different price if Romania was the buyer.
and at the end of the day, it would have been money, thrown out of the window.
21 MiG 29 in various states of readiness might not have been enough and you don't want to operate 2 diffrent weapons systems, alone for cost reasons.
It was a good deal for the US as they wanted the aircraft for training purposes. Why do you think Poland is replacing the MiGs they got for 1€?

Guys.forget about russian planes.They will sell them OK,but only a watered down version that will pose no threat to them.They know that this planes will not be used against Micronesia

Last time i`we check they were seling aircraft better than anything they had in the airforce.
I guess thas why we let the 23 and 29 to rust also...
to operate 1 type of aircraft mig-21....


This post has been edited by osutacincizecisidoi on July 15, 2007 08:55 pm

if there are not enough MiG-29, then yes, let them rust, or even better, sell them.
15 MiG 29s won't decide a war, nor make the airforce look mighty. scrapping, or even selling them, saves money, much needed elsewhere. air base modernization, modern equipment, flying hours for pilots , air force integration into NATO and last but not least, aquisition of a more modern, flexible and military potent weapons platform, be it the EF, F-16 or Gripen.
50 modernized MiG-21 are good enough as an intermediary solution and 1 weapons platform is better than 3, especially since, as you (and pretty much everybody else) know well, the entire MoD has a lower budget than Bill Gates made last year.

Scraping planes costs money, selling planes also does not bring allot of money.
Upgrading planes also cost money but it`s cheaper than buying a new airplanes.
Buying a new platform also cost alot than buying an existing platform.(maitenance and training).

yes but you'll have something up-to-date, at least for a while instead operating obsolete hardware.
and scrapping is a one-time expense not a continous one like maintaining. i don't think you'll argue that scrapping 20 aircraft is cheaper than maintaining 20 aircraft.
especially since the latter comes without much of a benefit.

if the airforce is to be taken seriously it has to upgrade its hardware. which will cost money which *has* to be forked over.
other than that, the goal of the romanian airforce was not operating the best aircraft in the world, but something much more basic: surviving as a functioning unit the budget cuts of the last decade. which certainly would not have been possible by wasting money on 2-3 different combat aircraft types.

everybody else goes multirole because of high cost. the MiG-29 is not a great solution for that. neither is the MiG-21. the latter will be thrown away once replaced. same would have to have happened to the MiG-29 if the airforce chose to keep them instead the MiG-21. but if they decided pro MiG-29, they'd ended up with 18 airframes in various states of readiness which would also cry for upgrade and modernization. which is not enough.

This post has been edited by dead-cat on July 16, 2007 08:28 am

The MiG-29 and also MiG-23 have bigger operation costs than the one small motor, simple airframe, delta wings of the MiG-21. Also the maintenance of the MiG 21 was assimilated in Romania since the seventies, the others not. The MiG 29 stopped flying in 2004 because the original lot of spare parts with which the aircrafts came was finished. For the upgraded MiG 21 there is a pool of components from the unmodernised Migs, also spare parts can be bought also from other parts except Russia, if necessary (other operators, China).

Romania` s Next Fighter (I) The F-16

Romania` s Next Fighter (II) The Eurofighter Typhoon

Romania` s Next Fighter (III) The JAS 39 Gripen

Melescanu explained that the decision on purchasing the fighters should be made this year because it takes relatively long for the aircraft to be built.

http://www.nineoclock.ro/index.php?page=de...d=20070910-7370

So did he make a mistake or are we finally buying something newly built?

Pentagon’s offer
2007 10 05| de Razvan Belciuganu

The USA Defense Department representatives and Lockheed Martin have proposed Romania to enter the program for the purchase of the invisible supersonic F 35. This is possible in 2018 and the Americans say the F16 should be Romania’s defender in the meantime. State Secretary for the Ministry of Defense, Cornel Dobritoiu, the Chief of the Aerial Forces, General Constantin Croitoru, and the Ammunition Department Second-in-Command, General Eftimie Sandu, have received an offer from the American officials regarding the multipurpose plane during their visit to Washington. “During the talks at the Lockheed Martin headquarters and at the Pentagon with officials of the American aerial forces, we saw a perspective of USA regarding the purchase of the F35 plane by Romania”, Corneliu Dobritoiu stated for us. “If Romania is interested in buying this plane, we will have to consider a transition period from the moment of taking a national political decision to the moment of the actual purchase and this could happen in 2018 the soonest”, the Romanian dignitary added.


http://www.jurnalul.ro/articole/104948/pen...E2%80%99s-offer