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> What fighter plane do you think Romania should use?
 
What fighter plane do you think Romania should use?
MIG 29 [ 19 ]  [14.84%]
F 16 [ 28 ]  [21.88%]
a new IAR design, built here [ 36 ]  [28.12%]
JAS-39 [ 59 ]  [46.09%]
Su-27 [ 17 ]  [13.28%]
Mirage 2000 [ 4 ]  [3.12%]
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ANDREAS
Posted on November 28, 2010 08:50 pm
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I didn't mean no air force at all, just not modern fighter jets. Which we obviously can't afford. It's not a tragedy, there are plenty of countries out there that can't have a proper air force and/or a proper navy. There are even some whose land forces aren't worth a dime either. Romania investing in capital (second-hand) ships and in (second-hand) fighter jets is a waste of money. We should put that money in land forces, SAMs, UAVs, stuff like that.

Don't compare us with Israel. They get billions of dollars in military assistance every year and access to all kinds of arms deals. Look at Israel's GDP and military budget and at Romania's and then ask yourself how come it is so beefed up militarily. It's like a midget pumped full of steroids. Outside assistance plays an important part in that. So Israel handling F-16s says nothing about Romania's ability to do the same.

I agree with Imperialist,
and I also express my opinion about it. I do not think that for the sake of tradition is really necessary for Romania to have air and sea forces, without the ability to properly equip them. Being in a military alliance -NATO-, forces specialization principle can work very well, so we should focus on the military forces that we can afford, equipping them properly. If these forces consisting of infantry, mountain troops, paratroopers and special forces, for instance, then limit ourselves to them, equipping and instructing them properly. Equipping of such light and mobile forces, that does not raise costs we can not allow, can bring us to a specialization in perspective within NATO, with obvious benefits for all parties (us, the Alliance). The idea is not mine obviously, being discussed in the military since the admission of Romania in NATO.
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Posted on November 28, 2010 09:12 pm
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QUOTE (Imperialist @ November 28, 2010 07:49 pm)
Don't compare us with Israel. They get billions of dollars in military assistance every year and access to all kinds of arms deals.

I did not compare anyone to Israel. I mentioned Israel in reply to your "we do not need second hand aircraft" comment, by whicn you actually mean "we do not need F-16".

You said that Israel have tye money to buy any aircraft they want. They chose the F-16. I do not need to be convinced that the F-16 is a good aircraft, but to me this is an ringing endorsement.

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  Posted on November 29, 2010 12:07 pm
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So, if we don't "need" a replacement for the MiG 21's, perhaps there should have been another box to "tick" in the poll: "no airplane at all", and then we retire ALL of our pilots and eventually disband TAROM and ROMAVIA as well! This is extreme, but it's just the extrapolation of the "no planes" theory! Anyway, we'll get a pretty small number of planes, eventually - be they F16 or other type.
As for the "forumists" issue, it's just a(nother) way to defuse the tension and the debate; of course, irrelevant for the "higher circles", the decision factors. It would be great, however, if those factors above-mentioned would really have our nationak interest as the main focus! sad.gif


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Posted on November 29, 2010 05:23 pm
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QUOTE (MMM @ November 29, 2010 12:07 pm)
So, if we don't "need" a replacement for the MiG 21's, perhaps there should have been another box to "tick" in the poll: "no airplane at all", and then we retire ALL of our pilots and eventually disband TAROM and ROMAVIA as well! This is extreme, but it's just the extrapolation of the "no planes" theory! Anyway, we'll get a pretty small number of planes, eventually - be they F16 or other type.

That's a bit of a stretch. What, only fighter jet pilots are good for TAROM? What about those flying the Spartans, the Hercules and the Soim?


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Posted on November 29, 2010 06:41 pm
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1. I already wrote "this is extreme", didn't I? This is a "worst case scenario"... tongue.gif
2. The fighter pilots are the top(gun) of the pilots, military, civilian etc.
3. What's the life-span of Hercules, Iar-99 Soim and so on? When are we going to have to change them, too? What then?


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Imperialist
Posted on December 04, 2010 11:01 am
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This should have been an option in the poll too, the MIG 400:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP_p9fYycqI

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Posted on December 04, 2010 11:22 am
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  Posted on December 04, 2010 08:49 pm
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Oh, that should be a "must" for some of us, forumists... also, a Distonocalm wouldn't hurt! biggrin.gif


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Posted on January 25, 2011 06:30 pm
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Posted on August 14, 2011 04:12 am
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A while ago, i think june maybe? I read that Romania was still trying to get 24 EX-USAF F-16 Block 25/32; does any body know if there has been any progress?
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Posted on September 06, 2012 02:38 pm
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New ideas?!
Although the upcoming elections might change some of the figureheads, I doubt there'll be a substantial change!

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Hadrian
Posted on September 06, 2012 10:06 pm
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http://www.ziuaveche.ro/top-secret/armata-...nia-118086.html

The europeans are not so happy for giving the cash to the americans, without even making a proper bid.
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Posted on September 06, 2012 11:35 pm
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Of course, everyone wants to take our money, doesn't matter what's next cool.gif
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Posted on September 07, 2012 10:17 am
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QUOTE (dragos @ September 07, 2012 02:35 am)
Of course, everyone wants to take our money, doesn't matter what's next cool.gif

Well, does it matter we don't have them? (money, that is...)
Anyway, the issue of which planes should we get seeems to have been closed, at least in the "higher" levels. Or is it just my oppinion? wink.gif


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Hadrian
Posted on September 07, 2012 11:05 pm
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That is my feeling too. We shall get SH F-16, which in the end we shall use for the next 20-30 years because, of course, a contry like us will never have +200 millions dolars to use for one F-35.
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