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Posted: December 20, 2004 11:10 am
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I really can not find the aircraft nor the crew of the CHIEF WHAHOO anywhere in non of my books and material , do you have more photos and references about this aircraft....was it from 376th or 98th ?

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It was from 376BG, 512sq. It looks that you don't have the updated list with the B-24 flown on 1 august '43 in TidalWave mission.
Ok i will think about to sent you but it will cost you another swiss beer ( I didn't forgot the first 2 beers from you refrigerator Keep them cool biggrin.gif )
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Posted: December 20, 2004 11:32 am
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If is 100% taken above Romania it must be a plane that went down in flames. blink.gif
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Posted: December 20, 2004 12:35 pm
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Cantacuziono insetad collecting Swiss beers which may finally get your entire friends tippy and won't allow you to post interesting messages, I have a better gift for you mate . Here is it, the B-24 MILITARY SECRETS which was hit and entire crew bailed out. You can see kneeling Sgt Garcia who has hit the outboard wing of the Liberator spiralling inverted and who's is MIA as the day of today.

Squadron photo with "Military Secrets B-24 322"
Kneeling S/Sgt Richard A. Martin, S/Sgt Rueben P. Staub, T/Sgt Charles H. Jackson, T/Sgt Calhoun H. Mullen (Died Non Battle 10/8/1944, buried in Leece, Italy), S/Sgt Celestino H. Garcia Jr. (KIA 6/6/1944), S/Sgt Benedict V. Mazzara
Standing 2nd Lt. Lewis R. Kalb, 2nd Lt. Robert N. Vlachos, 2nd Lt. Edward S. Dieringer, 2nd Lt. William M. Wade

I STILL DONT HAVE ANY RECORDS ON THE WHAOO CHIEF AND ITS CREW !



Photo 44th Bmb Grp , 2nd Air Division Asso.
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Posted: December 20, 2004 12:59 pm
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Cantacuziono insetad collecting Swiss beers which may finally get your entire friends tippy and won't allow you to post interesting messages, I have a better gift for you mate .

Ok, Alex I am not thirsty anymore. Thanks for the gifts.
Attached is the Tidal wave rooster file

GRP SQN SERIAL I.D. Name PILOT UNIT Men KIA POW INT EVD NOTES
44 66 42-40182 A FORKY II Gentry, Rowland M. 66thBS 9 8 1 Lost near the target, Ploesti.
44 66 41-23778 F LADY LUCK Felber, Robert E. 66thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
44 66 42-40375 G SCRAPPY II Scrivner, Thomas E. 66thBS 9 9 Lost near the target, Ploesti.
44 66 41-23936 J MARGURITE/QUEEN ANNE Flaherty, Joseph E. 66thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
44 66 41-23811 K FASCINATIN' WITCH Miller, Robert E. 66thBS 9 Diverted to Malta.
44 66 41-24153 L SAD SACK II Lasco, Henry A. 66thBS 9 5 4 Lost near the target, Ploesti.
44 66 42-40764 M HELEN B. HAPPY Irby, Shelby L. 66thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
44 66 42-40777 N FLOSSIE FLIRT Hughes, Charles E. 66thBS 9 9 Lost - Landed at Chorlu, Turkey; Interned.
44 66 41-24015 R WING DINGER Winger, George W. 66thBS 9 7 2 Lost near the target, Ploesti.
44 67 42-40995 C SATAN'S HELL CATS Houston, Rowland B. 67thBS 9 9 Lost over Romania on return flight.
44 67 42-63761 D LIL' ABNER Weaver, Worden L. 67thBS 9 1 8 Lost over Romania on return flight.
44 67 41-23779 G 4Q2 Henderson, Charlie P. 67thBS 9 Diverted to Malta.
44 67 42-40780 H AVAILABLE JONES Jones, Fred E. 67thBS 9 9 Lost - Shot down over Ionian Sea on return flight.
44 67 41-23817 L SUZY~Q Brandon, William H. 44HQ 9 Returned to Libya.
44 67 41-24232 M CALABAN Hill, James E. 67thBS 9 Diverted to Malta.
44 67 42-40267 N HORSE FLY Mitchell, Edward R. 67thBS 9 9 Lost - Landed at Chorlu, Turkey; Interned.
44 67 41-24229 P BUZZIN' BEAR Cameron, William R. 67thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
44 67 42-40371 Q G.I. GAL Reinhart, Elmer H. 67thBS 9 1 8 Lost over Romania on return flight.
44 68 42-40071 C MARGARET ANN II Jansen, George R. 68thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
44 68 41-23788 D AVENGER Hughes, William D. 68thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
44 68 42-40731 N HAG MAG the Mothball Queen Martin, George P. 68thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
44 68 41-23699 P LEMON DROP Phillips, Reginald H. 68thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
44 68 41-24225 T FLAK ALLEY Alexander, David W. 68thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
44 68 41-24211 U WING AND A PRAYER Holmes, Walter T. 68thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
44 68 41-23813 V VICTORY SHIP Diehl, John H. 68thBS 9 1 Returned to Libya.
44 68 42-40373 Z NATCHEZ BELLE Shannon, Eunice M. 68thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
44 506 42-40172 C LYNN BARI II Anderson, William N. 506thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
44 506 41-24235 C EARTHQUAKE (MCGOON) Bunker, Walter I. 506thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
44 506 42-41013 D TROUBLE Stevens, Gordon S. 506thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
44 506 41-24201 O BALDY AND HIS BROOD Strong, William H. 506thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
44 506 42-40778 T SOUTHERN COMFORT Austin, Horace W. 506thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
44 506 41-24234 U MR. 5 X 5 Beam, James C. 506thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
44 506 42-40370 V HEAVEN CAN WAIT Whitlock, Charles A. 506thBS 9 Aborted.
44 506 42-40606 X TIMBA-A-H! Larson, Richard A. 506thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
44 506 41-24282 Y RUTH-LESS Slough, Frank D. 506thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
44 506 41-24283 Z OLD CROW McAtee, James C. 506thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
44 41-24024 34 BEWITCHING WITCH Carpenter, Reginald L. 67thBS 9 2 Lost -- Ditched in Med. On return flight.
93 328 41-24192 A DOGPATCH RAIDER Avandano, Joseph 328thBS 10 Diverted to Sicily.
93 328 41-23711 B JERKS NATURAL Hickman, Cleveland D. 328thBS 10 Diverted to Sicily.
93 328 42-40604 C SATAN'S ANGELS Ford, Herrel E. 328thBS 11 Returned to Libya.
93 328 41-23722 C BOMERANG Martin, Roy G. 328thBS 11 Returned to Libya.
93 328 41-23729 D SHOOT LUKE Black, George C. 328thBS 11 Aborted.
93 328 42-40994 D HELL'S WENCH Baker, Addison E. 93HQ 10 10 Lost near the target, Ploesti.
93 328 42-40246 F THUNDER MUG Longnecker, Russell D. 328thBS 11 Returned to Libya.
93 328 42-40128 J BALL OF FIRE III/WAR BABY Tate, Joseph S. 328thBS 11 Returned to Libya.
93 328 42-40612 K EUROCLYDON THE STORM Porter, Enoch M. 328thBS 11 8 3 Lost near the target, Ploesti.
93 328 42-40608 M VULGAR VIRGIN Turner, Claude A. 328thBS 10 10 Lost - Landed at Chorlu, Turkey; Interned.
93 329 41-23809 N HELLSADROPPIN II Harvey, Julian A. 329thBS 10 Aborted.
93 329 42-40127 O THAR SHE BLOWS AGAIN Merrill, Charles T. 329thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
93 329 41-24111 P PICCADILLY FILLEY Collins, Theron U. 329thBS 10 Aborted.
93 329 41-23682 Q THE BLASTED EVENT Brown, George S. 93HQ 10 Returned to Libya.
93 329 41-23810 S TARFU Hurd, Earl C. 329thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
93 329 42-40765 T VALIENT VIRGIN DeMont, Russell D. 329thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
93 329 42-40781 U HELLS ANGELS Harms, Roy C. 329thBS 10 9 1 Lost near the target, Ploesti.
93 329 42-40804 X THE LADY JANE/BERTHA Meehan, William E. 329thBS 10 9 1 Lost near the target, Ploesti.
93 329 41-24230 Z Jo-Jo'S Special Delivery/Hare's to Ya McBride, Ralph J. 329thBS 11 11 Lost - Shot down over Ionian Sea on return flight.
93 330 42-40969 A BIG NOISE Emmons, John W. 330thBS 11 Aborted.
93 330 41-24147 A THE DUCHESS/EVELYN Potts, Ramsay D. 330thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
93 330 41-24109 C READY & WILLING Roche, John R. 330thBS 11 Returned to Libya.
93 330 42-40613 E PUDGY Teltser, Milton 330thBS 11 6 5 Lost over Romania on return flight.
93 330 41-23717 H EXTERMINATOR Roper, Hugh R. 330thBS 11 11 Lost -- Mid-air collision with Olliffe during withdrawl.
93 330 42-40609 I JERSEY BOUNCE Long, Worthy A. 330thBS 10 6 4 Lost near the target, Ploesti.
93 330 42-24121 J LET'ER RIP Olliffe, Victor E. 330thBS 11 8 3 Lost -- Mid-air collision with Roper during withdrawl.
93 330 41-24226 L UTAH MAN Stewart, Walter T. 330thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
93 409 42-40617 N JOSE CARIOCA Stampolis, Nicholas 409thBS 10 10 Lost near the target, Ploesti.
93 409 41-24105 Q TUPELO LASS Dessert, Kenneth O. 409thBS 11 Returned to Libya.
93 409 41-23742 R LIBERTY LAD McFarland, Kenton D. 409thBS 11 Returned to Libya.
93 409 41-24215 S LUCKY Kendall, Harold K. 409thBS 11 Diverted to Sicily.
93 409 41-23754 U LITTLE LADY Wilkinson, Richard L. 409thBS 12 12 Lost - Landed at Chorlu, Turkey; Interned.
93 409 41-24298 V QUEENIE Brown, Llewellyn L. 409thBS 11 Diverted to Sicily.
93 409 42-40265 W HONKEY TONK GAL Womble, Hurbert H. 409thBS 10 1 9 Lost near the target, Ploesti.
93 409 42-40611 X DEATH DEALER Geron, Alva J. 409thBS 11 1 Returned to Libya.
93 409 42-40610 Y <unknown if any> League, Miles R. 409thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
93 41-24259 30 <unknown if any> Freese, Howard W. 329thBS 9 Aborted.
98 343 41-11776 O JERSEY JACKASS/BASHFUL McGraw, John J. 389thBG 10 8 2 Lost near the target, Ploesti.
98 343 41-11840 P THE WITCH Darlington, Julian T. 389thBG 10 6 4 Lost - crash land at Bulgaria-Yugoslavia border.
98 343 42-41007 P MARGIE Gooden, Clarence W. 343thBS 10 8 2 Lost near the target, Ploesti.
98 343 41-11767 Q SHANGHI LIL Looker, Carl S. 343thBS 10 Aborted.
98 343 41-11761 R THE SQUAW/SLEEPY LeBrecht, Royden L. 343thBS 10 Diverted to Cyprus.
98 343 42-40655 S DAMIFINO or FOUR EYES Hadcock, Lawrence 343thBS 9 9 Lost near the target, Ploesti.
98 343 42-40082 T PRINCE CHARMING Bennett, Thomas W. 343thBS 9 Aborted.
98 343 41-11896 U- NIGHTMARE Bleyer, Julian N. 98HQ 10 Returned to Libya.
98 343 41-11921 W NORTHERN STAR/DOC Underwood, Glen W. 343thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
98 343 42-40313 X BOOTS Murphy, Lawrence E. 343thBS 10 8 2 Lost near the target, Ploesti.
98 343 42-40364 Y SNOW WHITE and the Seven Dwarves Gunn, James A. III 343thBS 9 8 1 Lost over Bulgaria on return flight.
98 343 41-11620 Z EDNA ELIZABETH Haverty, James C. 93rdBG 10 Aborted.
98 344 41-24197 A TAGALONG Hinch, Ralph V. 344thBS 10 5 5 Lost near the target, Ploesti.
98 344 41-24026 B BABY Weisler, Francis E. 344thBS 10 Aborted.
98 344 41-24198 C THE VULGAR VIRGIN Taylor, Wallace C. 344thBS 10 9 1 Lost near the target, Ploesti.
98 344 41-11768 D KICKAPOO Nespor, Robert J. 344thBS 10 8 Aborted.
98 344 41-11803 E ROSIE WRECK'EM Arens, Herbert W. 344thBS 10 Aborted.
98 344 41-24040 F BIG OPERATOR Edwards, Hoover 344thBS 10 Aborted.
98 344 41-11819 G RAUNCHY Neeley, Samuel R. 344thBS 10 8 2 Lost near the target, Ploesti.
98 344 41-23656 H ROWDY II Gaston, Allen B. 344thBS 10 Aborted.
98 344 41-23795 I SNEEZY Johnson, Donald G. 343thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
98 344 41-23733 J SKIPPER Colchagoff, George D. 344thBS 10 Aborted.
98 344 42-40208 K SAD SACK Banks, William D. 344thBS 10 Diverted to Cyprus.
98 344 41-24311 L HADLEY'S HAREM Hadley, Gilbert B. 344thBS 10 3 Lost -- ditched off south coast of Turkey.
98 344 41-11825 V Hail Columbia/LITTLE-CHIEF BIG-DOG Kane, John Riley 98HQ 10 Lost -- Crash landed on Cyprus
98 345 41-24246 N SEMPER FELIX Sulflow, August W. 345thBS 10 9 1 Lost near the target, Ploesti.
98 345 41-11774 O CHIEF Fravega, Thomas P. 389thBG 10 Diverted to Sicily.
98 345 42-40663 P MATERNITY WARD Ward, John V. 345thBS 10 8 2 Lost - Shot down over Ionian Sea on return flight.
98 345 42-40991 Q <unknown if any> Deeds, James A. 345thBS 10 9 1 Lost near the target, Ploesti.
98 345 41-11886 S LIL JOE Hussey, Lindley P. 345thBS 9 5 4 Lost near the target, Ploesti.
98 345 42-40102 T OLD BALDY Dore, John J. 345thBS 10 10 Lost near the target, Ploesti.
98 345 41-23661 U BLACK JACK Hahn, Delbert H. 345thBS 10 Diverted to Sicily.
98 345 41-11766 V CHUG-A-LUG Morgan, LeRoy B. 345thBS 9 1 Returned to Libya.
98 345 42-40402 W THE SANDMAN Sternfels, Robert W. 345thBS 10 Diverted to Cyprus.
98 345 42-40316 X SNAKE EYES Blevins, Hillary M. 345thBS 10 Lost -- Crash landed on Sicily.
98 345 42-40312 Y AIRE LOBO Thomas, John B. 345thBS 10 9 1 Lost near the target, Ploesti.
98 415 42-40662 A BLACK MAGIC Patch, Dwight D. 415thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
98 415 41-24195 B LITTLE JOE Pettigrew, Wesley N. 415thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
98 415 42-63758 D LI'L JUGHAID Nicholson, Robert G. 415thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
98 415 41-23782 E BOILER MAKER II Helin, Theodore E. 415thBS 10 10 Lost near the target, Ploesti.
98 415 42-40195 F PENELOPE Speiser, Martin A. 415thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
98 415 41-11815 G DAISY MAE Ellis, Lewis N. 389thBG 10 Returned to Libya.
98 415 41-11817 H STINGER Opsata, Andrew W. 389thBG 10 Returned to Libya.
98 415 41-11836 I LI'L DE-ICER Merrick, James L. 415thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
98 415 41-24023 J FERTILE MYRTLE Shingler, Herbert I. 415thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
98 415 42-40322 K CORNHUSKER McCarty, Ned 415thBS 10 10 Lost - Shot down over Ionian Sea on return flight.
98 415 42-40520 M YEN TU McGuire, Edward T. 415thBS 10 7 3 Lost near the target, Ploesti.
98 42-40973 Z BATTLEAXE Salyer, Charles A. 389thBG 9 Returned to Libya.
376 512 41-24297 20-E CHIEF WAHOO Hines, Wilford E. 512thBS 10 10 Lost -- Landed Kardak LG, Turkey; Interned.
376 512 41-23724 22-Z DOODLEBUG McAtee, John E. 512thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
376 512 41-24258 23-A DESERT LILLY Iovine, Guy T. 512thBS 9 Aborted.
376 512 42-40563 28-D WONGO WONGO! Flavelle, Brian W. 512thBS 10 10 Lost -- Crashed into the Med at 1130, south of Corfu.
376 512 42-40229 31-B BOMB BOOGIE Miller, Richard T. 512thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
376 512 41-24294 36-V BREWERY WAGON Palm, John D. 512thBS 10 2 8 Lost near the target, Ploesti.
376 512 42-40658 38-F WARMAID Miller, James I. 512thBS 9 Diverted to Cyprus.
376 513 42-40315 40-P WOLF PACK DeVeuve, James P. 513thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
376 513 41-11779 41-N LI'L ABNER Whitlock, Hubert H. 513thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
376 513 41-11916 42-F TANGERINE Hobbs, Charles L. 513thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
376 513 41-11591 45-G QUEEN BEE/LORRAINE Zimmerman, William R. 513thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
376 513 41-24032 51-K LET'S GO! Fogel, Ernest W. 513thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
376 513 42-40317 54-L BARREL HOUSE BESSIE Friberg, Wayne V. 513thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
376 513 42-40660 56-A LITTLE RICHARD Lear, Dean E. 513thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
376 514 41-11935 60-E PER DIEM THE SECOND Storz, Robert H. 514thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
376 514 41-24310 62-D <unknown if any> O'Sullivan, Donald P. 514thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
376 514 41-11636 63-P WASH'S TUB Bock, James 514thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
376 514 42-40206 64-I 8 BALL! Conn, Myron R. 514thBS 11 Returned to Libya.
376 514 41-24252 70-W <none> Ryan, Lyle T. 514thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
376 514 41-23410 72-J <unknown if any> Whipple, Harlan D. 514thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
376 514 42-40657 74-U G.I. GINNIE Appold, Norman C. 514thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
376 515 42-40664 100-A TEGGIE ANN Compton, Keith K. 376HQ 10 Returned to Libya.
376 515 42-40203 81-L *LITTLE ISADORE Bley, Charles W. 515thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
376 515 41-11630 83-M CHUM-V *KITTY QUICK DuFour, Jerome P. 515thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
376 515 42-40232 85-N *JOEY UPTOWN Holt, Guy E. 515thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
376 515 42-40319 88-T *DOPEY GOLDBERG Hurd, Donaldson B. 515thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
376 515 41-24030 90-K *GOOD TIME CHARLEY Gluck, Edwin L. 515thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
376 515 41-24031 94-S *ANGIE THE OX Wright, Frank C. 515thBS 9 Returned to Libya.
389 564 42-40746 B OLE IRISH McLaughlin, Frank B. 564thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
389 564 42-40772 C SCHEHEREZADE Blackis, John T. 564thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
389 564 42-40803 F <unknown if any> Smith, Richard B. 564thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
389 564 42-40776 H OLD BLISTER BUTT Wright, Robert L. 564thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
389 564 42-40773 I <unknown if any> Fowble, Edward L. 564thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
389 564 42-40753 J <none> Hughes, Lloyd H. 564thBS 10 8 2 Lost near the target, Campina.
389 565 42-40629 N SCORPION Caldwell, Kenneth M. 565thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
389 565 42-40749 P SACK-TIME SALLY Braly, Roy E. 565thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
389 565 42-40716 R YOURS TRULY Rodenberg, Elmer R. 565thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
389 565 42-40744 S <none> James, Harold L. 565thBS 10 10 Lost -- Landed at Izmir, Turkey; Interned.
389 565 42-40787 V VAGABOND KING McCormick, John B. 565thBS 10 Diverted to Cyprus.
389 565 42-40795 X *THE GOLDEN SANDSTORM Tolleson, James F. 565thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
389 565 42-40775 Y WOLF WAGON Matson, Kenneth H. 565thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
389 565 41-23933 Z SWEET ADELINE II Podolak, Stanislaus J. 565thBS 10 Diverted to Cyprus.
389 566 42-40115 A- THE BOOMERANG Neef, Melvin E. 566thBS 11 11 Lost over Romania on return flight.
389 566 42-40722 B- THE LITTLE GRAMPER Dieterle, Jack W. 566thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
389 566 42-40735 C- SAND WITCH Horton, Robert W. 566thBS 10 9 1 Lost near the target, Campina.
389 566 42-40706 F- TONDELAO Whitener, Cecil J. 566thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
389 566 42-40623 I- <unknown if any> Westerbeke, Donald G. 566thBS 10 Diverted to Malta.
389 566 42-40738 J- THE OKLAHOMAN Conroy, Thomas C. 566thBS 10 Diverted to Malta.
389 567 42-40793 H- BLONDS AWAY Nading, William D. 567thBS 10 Diverted to Cyprus.
389 567 42-40619 N- <none> Ward, Emery M. 567thBS 11 Returned to Libya.
389 567 42-40743 O- <none> Sisson, Dale L. 567thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
389 567 42-40544 R- HITLER's HEARSE Mooney, Robert C. 567thBS 10 1 9 Lost -- Landed near Izmir, Turkey; Interned.
389 567 42-40747 S- <none> Selvidge, William M. 567thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
389 567 42-40807 U- <none> Spurrier, Chester E. 567thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
389 567 42-40733 V- <none> Gerrick, Clarence W. 567thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
389 567 42-40782 X- CHATTANOOGA CHOO CHOO O'Reilly, Robert J. 565thBS 10 1 9 Lost over Romania on return flight.
389 567 42-40751 Y- *TOUCH OF TEXAS Denton, William J. 567thBS 10 Returned to Libya.
Totals: 1751 306 132 69 4
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Posted: December 20, 2004 01:21 pm
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Last mission over Tergoviste .....The first pilot of the Flame McGoon was Lt. Ben Konsynski, and he gave her the name, based on a character in Al Capp's comic strip "Lil Abner."

The target that day was the oil storage dumps at Targoviste, Romania. The crew on the last mission was as follows:
William J. Paterick - Pilot
Lester A. Mizer - Co-Pilot
William L. Frese - Navigator
Morton E. Smith - Bombardier
Calvin F. Stanfill - Flight Engineer
Archie M. Stien - Radio Operator
Lawrence C. Longerbeam - Gunner
Jerry C. Roch - Gunner
Earl Haltli - Gunner
Kenneth Hamilton- Gunner
Lt. William L. Frese, volunteered for this mission, his 50th, that would have completed his tour. He was looking forward to his return home. Lt. Frese was captured and spent the rest of the war as a POW in Roumania.

Resources 376th Bmb Grp

According to Pilot William Patericks accounts, "had we been able to fly 2 more minutes, we would have been rescued." But the results of the 4 direct flak hits were devastating. Of the 10 man crew, 6 were captured and became POWs. One man, Morton Smith, the bombardier, didn't have his chute, so he piggybacked down with the navigator, William Frese. Half way down, Mr. Smith lost his grip and fell into the burning wreckage of the Flame McGoon. 3 other crew members were shot to death from gun fire from the ground.
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If there is a way to get a IAR-80 or 81 model( desk or one to be build) I will be ready to trade it off with a Ploesti 15th AF footageVHS NTSC from the gun camera , BN and Pilot positions as well INTEL of the 15th AF or an other aircarft model .

Let me know , any many thanks again

Alex

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Yes, Alex I think i can help you. I have a friend who has 2 Kits( in the box) of LTD IAR 80 ( 1:48 scale) and I will try to convince him to keep one for you. But it's not a 100% real replica of the IAR 80 so you will have a lot of work to modify it.
I have another one ready made LTD kit. And I have 80% parts of resin kit 1:48 IAR 81C wich is very close to the real one in detail and shape ( I will post some pictures soon) and I hope when will be finshed the moulds ( at one small company from Ploesti ) to multiply them.
And in the future ( next year ) I will finished my special project of IAR 81 C big 1/5 RC scale ( 2,20m wingspan) 41CC gas engine, functional retract. Also the fuselage will be fiber resin from moulds.( BTW in the future if you will convince Mister Spielberg via Confederarate air force to do the Tidal Wave movie I can provide the support with IAR 80 Radio control in flight for dramatic battle footage)
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And I have 80% parts of resin kit 1:48 IAR 81C wich is very close to the real one in detail and shape ( I will post some pictures soon) and I hope when will be finshed the moulds ( at one small company from Ploesti ) to multiply them.


Here is the resin cast engine of 1:48 -IAR 80 -81 painted


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Yes, Alex I think i can help you. I have a friend who has 2 Kits( in the box) of LTD IAR 80 ( 1:48 scale) and I will try to convince him to keep one for you. But it's not a 100% real replica of the IAR 80 so you will have a lot of work to modify it.


And you have a veri nice diorama with a LTD kit of IAR 80 made by a french modeler Philippe.



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looks rellay great , though a pitty is not for sale or trade

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Last mission over Tergoviste .....The first pilot of the Flame McGoon was Lt. Ben Konsynski, and he gave her the name, based on a character in Al Capp's comic strip "Lil Abner."

The target that day was the oil storage dumps at Targoviste, Romania.


Alex, you forgot to mentioned the day of this mision for Targoviste.
Ok, i made myself the reserch but next time try to finished yourself. tongue.gif

B-24 “ Flame Mc Goon” Sn 42-72767 376 BG lost 7/31/1944 MACR 7210


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Cantacuzino, regretfull the details of the mission to Targoviste were not included on the database I received

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Gunner Cellestino Garcia is the 3rd from left, god bless his memorries

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Alex, somefing is wrong with Garcia indentification. One source is Bill.P.Garcia (Ardennes cemetery rooster) and your source is Cellestino Garcia.
Because Garcia is a common name in USA ( mexican origin) please double check and tell me who is wrong. ( for me the cemetery indentification is better )



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cantacuzino you've got a point...though all his military records , photos and people who were with him at 376th pointed out that he's wrongly listed at the Ardennes memorial as Bill Garcia....because he was was not called Bill Garcia....secondly the fact that he is registered under Ardennes memorial is an other element showing superficiallity at the US Military burial and memorial authorities of that time...which was something common at the US Armed Forces of WWII and to some extend of the US Armed Forces of today too !!

If you would look at the B-24, B-17 , B-26 sites on the Internet 80% of all the topics are related to locating of missing family members and solving puzzles and misteries about specific crews and aicrafts rather than discussing the historial aspects of each group or operation......that has much to do with Garcia too which is an example out of many thausands during WWII...superficiality and underestimating other nationalities and other nations is still part of the life style of the communities in N.America ,thats why an other Pearl Harbour took place on 9/11 again ( I am telling you this because I got part of my military and airline training in the US ,and lived overthere 6 years and I know it for sure )


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Yes Alex but also the date are different Bill P.Garcia is mising on 5 may '44 and the other S/Sgt Celestino H. Garcia Jr. is KIA 6/6/1944.
And the units are different Bill is from 456BG and Celestino is from 376BG ( or 44BG ? ).

For me are to many missing parts from this puzzle so I gave up and keep only the Garcia name as a reference for "5 may" issue.
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