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Posted: December 06, 2011 10:19 pm
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Hello everyone,

can someone help me identify what is to be seen in this photo?
I mean it is obviously a burial, but where is it, who are the officers, and what is the history of it??

I scanned the backside as well but can not read the writing...

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Posted: December 06, 2011 10:58 pm
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QUOTE (mic @ December 06, 2011 11:19 pm)
I scanned the backside as well but can not read the writing...

Michael

I can help you with the translation.
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25 IV 1941/ ?????/ Înmormântarea celor 16 parașutiști germani.
25 IV 1941/ ?????/ The funeral of the 16 German paratroopers.
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Posted: December 06, 2011 11:04 pm
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The funeral was at Orastie, Hunedoara county?

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Posted: December 06, 2011 11:13 pm
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QUOTE (ionionescu @ December 06, 2011 10:58 pm)
QUOTE (mic @ December 06, 2011 11:19 pm)
I scanned the backside as well but can not read the writing...

Michael

I can help you with the translation.
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25 IV 1941/ ?????/ Înmormântarea celor 16 parașutiști germani.
25 IV 1941/ ?????/ The funeral of the 16 German paratroopers.
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Thank you very much, Ion! wink.gif
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Posted: December 06, 2011 11:17 pm
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QUOTE (21 inf @ December 06, 2011 11:04 pm)
The funeral was at Orastie, Hunedoara county?

You think, the single word in the middle is "Orastie"?

Hmm, how would german paras come to death within Romania at that time?

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Posted: December 06, 2011 11:59 pm
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QUOTE (mic @ December 07, 2011 12:17 am)
You think, the single word in the middle is "Orastie"?

@mic, I think 21 inf is right, the name is Orăștie.
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Hmm, how would german paras come to death within Romania at that time?

Maybe a plane crash?
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Posted: December 07, 2011 06:53 am
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Hmm, how would german paras come to death within Romania at that time?




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Maybe a plane crash?



I saw somewhere pictures with a crash wreck of a german Ju 52 in the area ( Hunedoara county ) from the same year. It could be the victims from that crash.
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Posted: December 07, 2011 05:42 pm
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From my new book that I intend to publish in January

În timpul acestor lupte pentru Balcani, pe teritoriul României a avut loc o teribilă tragedie aeriană care astăzi este total necunoscută. În ziua de 21 aprilie, „un avion Junkers care transporta 18 paraşutişti germani a intrat într-un nor cumulus de furtună, pe deasupra munţilor Apuseni, în timp ce naviga la altitudinea de 2.800 m. Din cauza aceasta, avionul s-a rupt şi a căzut în apropierea comunei Brad” . Doar doi paraşutişti s-au putut salva şi, din relatările lor, s-a desprins concluzia că cei 18 paraşutişti, „deşi aveau paraşutele cu ei, nu erau legaţi de avion. Acest lucru constituie o procedare anormală, deoarece prima grijă trebuie să fie legarea sforilor de siguranţă de cablul comun din carlinga avionului. Cei doi soldaţi care s-au salvat au descris eforturile disperate pe care le-au făcut pentru a trage cu mâna sforile de siguranţă pentru a provoca deschiderea paraşutei. Unul a căzut aproximativ 2.000 m, iar celălalt 2.500 m până au reuşit să deschidă paraşutele. În timpul căderei avionului, au mai fost aruncaţi [afară] încă 12 soldaţi; aceştia nu au putut să acţioneze însă deschiderea paraşutei şi au murit. Cauzele care au provocat această cumplită nenorocire par a fi următoarele: a) Trecerea bruscă de la zbor normal la fierberea din interiorul unui nor Cumulus de furtună a dezorientat întreg personalul din cauza evoluţiunilor nefireşti la care este supus avionul. De aceea, loviţi de toţi pereţii avionului, soldaţii nu au mai putut reacţiona imediat pentru a-şi pregăti paraşuta înainte de lansare. (...) B ) Nelegarea sforilor de siguranţă pentru deschiderea automată care ar fi permis salvarea a 14 dintre cei 18 paraşutişti” . Cum la Bucureşti, Statul Major al Aerului tocmai pregătea înfiinţarea primei subunităţi de paraşutişti români , a luat nefericita întâmplare ca pe un important studiu de caz.

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Posted: December 07, 2011 06:18 pm
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Sorry, I am not so good in english to translate...

And, the german soldier without the helmet could be one of the two survivors...
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Posted: December 07, 2011 06:45 pm
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@cainele_franctiror, excellent work! Looking forward to buy the book!
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Posted: December 07, 2011 08:36 pm
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Thank you IonIonescu

It's a book about 7th Fighter Group during ww2, but in every chapter I have two or three short stories about bombers, paratroopers or AA crews, like this one.

Anyway, I wonder what was their mission. Maybe they were just moved near front and they should landind on an aerodrome somewhere in Greece...
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Posted: December 07, 2011 08:38 pm
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And another question: are they still burried in Orastie? And what about the pilots? They also died...
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Posted: December 08, 2011 08:17 am
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I cheched my Luftwaffe losses database, but could not find this particular incident.

However, interestingly, for the same day it is listed a Ju 52 lost at Otopeni! The following is given as reason for the crash: "Crew killed in crash due to pilot error." Unfortunately, only one name is given, that of Fw. Werner.

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Posted: December 08, 2011 03:01 pm
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Thank you Denes. In time, other info will be available, I am sure of that
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Posted: December 08, 2011 03:05 pm
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Mr Administrator, could you, please, remove the smiling yelow monkey with sunglasses from my text? In the original text I posted was a footnote.
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