FW 190 Found in Russia, crash landed, located in what now is a dense forest.

Posted on YouTube film of a German FW 190 wreck found in a forest in Russia, a crash landing, seems the pilot landed it there while there were no trees around in WW2. The forest grew up around it.

Some small items have been removed though as evident in the interior cockpit shots, but a lot remains.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmKFqFDRfrQ...related&search=

Kevin in Deva.

This post has been edited by New Connaught Ranger on November 14, 2006 05:15 pm

What about the pilot?
Any indications about who he was and what happened to him?

Hallo C-2,

at the moment all thats known is what is posted, I imagine if he came down and was found by his own side they would have tried to recover the plane or at least destroy it.

Maybe he is still there, in the surrounding woods

It seems to be a remote location or it would have been plundered for parts long ago, as it is some small pieces are missing.

Is there any info from the russian comments made by the cameraman and his friend?? Maybe some member who knows the language can tell us.

Kevin in Deva.

It is interesting to note that every time that the camera pans to the general area where the seat is, the film jumps to a different cutscene.
Is it possible that the pilot's remains were still in there? Would that change the status of the site from "salvage" to "war grave"?
Radu

That's a very nice plane, here is another recovered in Norway from a lake, and it is also in good condition considering that it was on the bottom of a lake for more than 60 years.

http://www.ahs.no/discussion_images/yellow16recovered.jpg

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/sho...ad.php?t=185643

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/sho...ad.php?t=186491

http://www.luftwaffe.no/wreck/index.htm (pictures of the recovery are on the left side of the screen)

Hallo WW2 Aviation fans
searching around the net I came across this post on another forum with regards the plane:

"That clip dates to the early 90's, and the FW belonged to JG 54 and was lost on
a mission from Siverskaja airfield. Apparently there is alot of controversy
about the restoration of this plane, with one group wanting it left in "as is"
condition, while the other group supports the complete restoration which has
been ongoing with this aircraft. Also, the remains of the pilot were supposedly
found in the cockpit, and the bones were buried nearby, while personal effects
were removed by local people. VtwinVince.

Hopefully we will get to find out more about what happened.

Not sure if aircraft wrecks ever were regarded as war graves, most crash sites get excavated and any remains removed for burial at the nearest military graveyard, or if positive id is made returned to the family for burial.

Sunken Ships tend to be regarded as war graves

Kevin in Deva.

However abord the sunken ships, you can never find human remains.

And about the Rusia FW i agree that it shold be conserved as it is, it has more value in this form.

Hallo cipiamon

"However abord the sunken ships, you can never find human remains."

That is why the ship-wreck is treated as a grave, its the last known resting place of the sailors, and deserves respect.

For soldiers killed on land, there is a very high chance that the body will be found at the site of combat, intially it will be buried on the battlefield, and later removed to a purpose built cemetery, soldiers who are not identified positively are buried in the unknow soldier section.

The only place that is of similar application to naval persons killed at sea and the bodies not recovered is the actual ship.

Kevin in Deva.

Hi Kevin,
I think you hit the nail on the head! A plane is a "ship". In US Air Force, US Navy Air Force or RAF parlance a plane is refered to as a "ship". Even in Romanian, a plane is a "nava".
Therefore, if the remains of a "crew" is found on a "ship", would that affect its status?
I think that this situation is decidedly different from that of a soldier killed on a battlefield or in the trenches. This pilot was in his office when they found him.
Radu

Hallo Radub

I believe that the plane gets refered to as a ship because of the corruption of the word airship, the pilot of the plane cannot be viewed in the same light as Naval personel, usualy when a soldier or airman is killed there is a great chance to identify the remains of the person, with regards the airforce even when the plane has fallen from a great height the chances are there will be some piece, either of dog-tags or a seriel number plate on many of the parts from engine to electric boxes, even the seriel number on the guns, all of this can be used to identify the plane and then the body of the crew.

The body / bodies can be removed and given a christian burial, by the military of the deceased country, many years afterwards, or returned to the family for burial, which brings about closure for the family finaly knowing that there relative died and is no longer missing.

With a sunken ship there will hardly be any human remains left, as after a period of time, with scavenger fish, eels, crabs, etc. . . the human flesh disolves into the surrounding water and after time the bones as well.

Also as ships sink and many crew men go in the water, currents will quickly carry them away from the postion the ship went down, these men, depending on their condition, the tempreture of the water can, if not found die very quickly, and if the bodies are not spotted they to will sink in the deep.

The victims last known location, last known place, while alive is the ship, so this becomes their grave, and this is the reason why all war-time ship-wrecks are given a war graves classification, (as well as civil ship wrecks entailing loss of life where no bodies have been recovered, are classed as a burial site) and both have legal protection from items being salvaged, in theory anyway.
The fact that the location of the ship is know, offers some thought of comfort to the relatives of the sailors families and allows them to grieve for them.
Most sinkings occured far from land, and though records of bodies being washed ashore do exsist, unless the sinking was very close to shore then there was no chance of finding any remains to bury on land.

Kevin in Deva

WW2 Russian Pilot found preserved in his crashed plane


The body of Russian Pilot Sergeant Lazarev was recently found preserved in a bog, still in his crashed Hurricane fighter.

February, 21st, 1943 From the Soviet military air base in Chupa two P-40 fighters and five Hurricanes took flight in an operation with one of the Hurricanes piloted by Sergeant Lazarev

At the same time German pilot Oberfeldwebel Rudolf Muller from 6/JG5 ' Expertenstaffel with his squad of the four of fighters Bf109G were escorting five Ju87D bombers, and entered to the fight with the Soviet fighters.

After the Hurricane was hit, Sergeant Lasarev unfastened his belts and tried to leave the machine however the low height has not allowed him to make it and the Hurricane crashed into a bog. The pilot was killed on impact and his feet were broken by instrument panel. When he died he was only 22 years old.

His preserved body was recently recovered from the bog still inside his Hurricane and buried at the Chupa, Karelian Republic cemetery .

photos :
http://warrelics.eu/forum/armour-weapons-a...ern-russia-514/