Eye Candy

[Radu]

Here's some Romanian equipment shown at the National Day Parade.














You can find all the pictures here: http://www.mapn.ro/afoto/categorie.php?cat...201%20Decembrie

[cuski]

I had no idea we have Gepards!

[Victor]

They are donation from the Bundeswehr (around 35 or so are operational).

[Der Maresal]

These are some of the best Photographs I've seen in years.
Great Pictures!
Look at the entire set on that website - there are 106 of them!

:wink:

[PanzerKing]

Man I wish my country had military parades. The closest thing we get are the tanks that show up at the county fair every year. That equipment looks great, good pictures!

[Victor]

And my personal favorite, the Protocol Battalion of the 30th Guard Brigade

At Alba Iulia...





And at Bucharest, under the Triumphant Arch...

[Dr_V]

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Panzr King: Man I wish my country had military parades. The closest thing we get are the tanks that show up at the county fair every year. That equipment looks great, good pictures!

Yeah, Romanians always were good at showing off. Military parades were a common picture during Ceausescu's age. As any small country despotic ruler, he felt good to show the world how powerfull his army was. And was also a well apreciated show for the people. In fact, this role was dominant this year too, as the government's popularity droppes, they needed to show the people how mighty the Army is under their regime. Impressive and usefull cyrcus, as usual.


Victor, I'd like to asks you one question, as you seamn to know very much about our Air Forces. In that first picture that Radu posted (the one with the planes), why does the fighter formation look like that? I see they made a V with the Hercules at the tip of it, but why is it so asimetric? 3 planes in a very orderly line at one side and a 4th completely unrelated on the other.
Is this ilustrating a speciffic tactic or it's just negligence? Or they lacked 2 more fighters to complete the formation...(maybe they failed to rise from the airfield or dropped on the way -- sorry, this is a really mean joke). I knew that our pilots are able to mantain a parade formation quite accurate, at least on Ceausescu's time they did.

[Der Maresal]

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QUOTE Der Maresal: Man I wish my country had military parades. The closest thing we get are the tanks that show up at the county fair every year. That equipment looks great, good pictures!

he??? :shock: :shock: I never said that phrase! :x If you look carefull you will see that the American said these words and not me! :idea:
He sais that in his country there are no such parades (which is not surprising since USA does not want to resemble neither to Russia nor to Germany (from which such grandiose events originated).
If you see the Berlin Parade of April 1939 on Hitler's birthsday you will see all the guns, trucks, tanks and Militarymen from ALL ranks and services parade - it was the larget parade of the IIIrd Reich and lasted 4 & 1/2 hours! :wink:
This kind of ceremonies were studied much by Russia, and now seam to be very poppular in China and North Korea. I'm not surprised at all they don't occur in the USA. The few things that happen there are ceremonials at the Unknown Soldier's Tomb, Military Airshows, and of course those those women in skirts with a stick in hand and those funny hats parading with a drum or a trumpet - more like chearleaders - 8)
...You won't see a Large mass of infantry parading to the sounds of Martial Music on the 4th of July.. !:?

When I showed the above photos to someone I know - I got a mixed reaction.
First he said that peoples are starving in romania but for the military there is always enough money.
2nd, the 23 August Parades from the Ceausescu days have been replaced now by December 1st.
You used to see such a great spectacle on August 23 during the communist years.
3rd)That December 1st was supposed to be the celebration of GREATER-ROMANIA (including Bassarabia and Bukovina) that the Russians now have :cry: - Celebrating the "Day of Unity" with such a parade does not make sense when much territory and "blood-brothers" are across the border, separated and the frontiers of 1919 broken and shattered."
4th) and lastly he said that such events are purely to mask under an image of Nationalism, a more sinister plan - the creation of an International Army, - a World Army if you will - (for which countries are now training (without even knowing) in places like Irak or Afghanistan.
The equipment and funds for the military will increase in the future - and so will our role and participation in NATO and other obscure "internationalist" organizations; but the overall economy of the country and the general situation will probably not improve.
I don't know what to make of this.

At least the pictures are clear and well done. (I already saved them all to hard-disk before they dissepear)

PS: Do Hungarians stage such an event on their National Hollyday? I'd like to see such images of their Military. :shock:

[Carol I]

From the list of countries with impressive military parades mentioned above France is missing. This year’s parade in Paris lasted quite long and it included all sorts of equipment and servicemen from all the branches of the military forces. And yet, there is no resemblance between France and the other countries mentioned.

[Dr_V]

For Der Maresal:

Sorry man, obviousely I've quoted Panzer King. I make the quotes with "copy/paste" from the topic review and I accidentaly got your nickname 'cause your reply was near.

As generally speaking we share the same oppinion about the 1st December military parade, I think my error can be excused. I'l try to edit the post anyway.

V

[PanzerKing]

I just think it would be nice to see a display of all our billion's of tax dollars and how we make use of it. And I have a name as well...it's not "American"...

[Victor]

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Victor, I'd like to asks you one question, as you seamn to know very much about our Air Forces. In that first picture that Radu posted (the one with the planes), why does the fighter formation look like that? I see they made a V with the Hercules at the tip of it, but why is it so asimetric? 3 planes in a very orderly line at one side and a 4th completely unrelated on the other.   Is this ilustrating a speciffic tactic or it's just negligence? Or they lacked 2 more fighters to complete the forrmation...(maybe they failed to rise from the airfield or dropped on the way -- sorry, this is a really mean joke). I knew that our pilots are able to mantain a parade formation quite accurate, at least on Ceausescu's time they did.

I do not know why the formation of IAR-99s and C-130 looks like this. Usually there are five IAR-99s, not four.
As for the so-called joke, it is quite distasteful.

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First he said that peoples are starving in romania but for the military there is always enough money

Nobody has enough money in Romania. Not even those who steal, as they seem never to want to stop.
Who knows what military modernization program lost money because of the parade.

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2nd, the 23 August Parades from the Ceausescu days have been replaced now by December 1st. You used to see such a great spectacle on August 23 during the communist years.

There were impressive parades during the Monarchy also (of course there were no workers in them :wink: ). But it is true that the authorities treated the national holiday mostly as an opportunity for them to gain some sympathy with sarmale and tuica. They also gave away sausages and beans and in the same brought priests to bless them (and we are theoretically fasting before Christmas).

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That December 1st was supposed to be the celebration of GREATER-ROMANIA (including Bassarabia and Bukovina) that the Russians now have - Celebrating the \"Day of Unity\" with such a parade does not make sense when much territory and \"blood-brothers\" are across the border, separated and the frontiers of 1919 broken and shattered.\"

My opinion is that the national day holiday was not chosen too well in December. I would like it more if it was in May, celebrating the independence. You feel more motivated to go out in the street and celebrate, when you are not freezing.

[Geto-Dacul]

Yes, nice photos.

But too much armored cars, and no combat tanks! 35 operational "Gepards" are not enough, for AA defense. And with today's warfare (heavy bombardments), that kind of flak is more or less obsolete.

Where is the heavy artillery? What the hell is with those new American (?) helmets, and horrible camo uniforms?! Where are the M73 Romanian helmets?
The Guard Protocol Regiment is nice, but the rest is pretty deceiving. They just don't have it. Socialist Romania was way more impressive, when showing off.

Getu'

[Der Maresal]

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\"Gepards\" are not enough, for AA defense. And with today's warfare (heavy bombardments), that kind of flak is more or less obsolete.

- You'r preparing for a NATO invasion, arn't you!

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What the hell is with those new American (?) helmets, and horrible camo uniforms?! Where are the M73 Romanian helmets?

I think this is some kind of special forces Unit and they are armed I believe with MP-5 , - german - and best SMG Weapon in the World.
These "Helmets" are standard now for pretty much all who now live in the American Sphere - especially "Protectorates"; countries with limited independence such as we (increasingly since 1990) or the Germans for example. ~ Designing our own helmets or building our own planes would be seen as a sign of Independence. (""Who are those damn Europeans to build their own stuff? They must buy only our weapons if they know what's good for them"") :twisted:

(Remember when a Soviet Block country (such as Czechoslovakia or Hungary) showed signs or increasing independence from Moscow - The Russians simply rolled in with their Tanks - Freedom is only as long as you sit quietly and do as you'r told from above). That is why I don't expect much from the West, nor do I believe the US or NATO, EU or whatever will help Romania reclaim it's lost land Bassarabia and Bukovina.
They don't have any interest in having a "Greater Romania" again, nor do they want to see countries gaining increased sovereignty or independence.
*I would not be surprised if NATO rolls it's tanks in Bucarest if we make some sort of "nationalistic" move - We'll get bombed, and suffer the same fate as Yugoslavia. - better stay put - :?

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They just don't have it. Socialist Romania was way more impressive, when showing off.

Ummmm :roll:
Socialist Romania & Ceausescu will not rise from the dead -
...anytime soon


:?

[Geto-Dacul]

Der Maresal wrote :

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Ummmm   Socialist Romania & Ceausescu will not rise from the dead -   ...anytime soon

It is obvious, and that isn't the point. I only said that military parades were more impressive back then.

So where are the tanks?


Getu'