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I don't understand why you're taking it personal or making such a big deal out of it. I asked you for your opinion on the map because a statement you made gave me the impression that you think the map is accurate. And I didn't ask it because I badly need your opinion on the map but because I didn't want to jump to conclusions. Had I said something without first knowing for sure what you meant then you would have said I'm putting words in your mouth and you never meant to say that and then there would have been a whole row about it.

So my attempt to avoid an argument with you ended up in an argument with you because for some reason you staunchly avoid answering straight questions. Or at least this question.

p.s. I didn't make stuff up, I quoted you. Yes, you didn't say "painful truth" you said "unpleasant truth".

no hard feelings, cheers

You made it personal and you made it a big thing.
Radu

Horia, I am surprised by your post. I did not expect you to write in this manner, alluding that somehow I am the guilty one for all the extreme outburst that followed. Anyhow...

Tell me, which part of my previous post, explaining this thread is unclear to you?
""As mentioned, I found this series of maps by accident, being advertised on the bottom of this forum. I simply wanted to ask other members' opinion about it, from a purely historical approach.""

Also, would you care to explain your sentence: ""It is not the first time when you act in such manner..."

Gen. Dénes

You asked:

How much this map reflects the point of view of the current Romanian historiography?

An I explained the POV of the Romanian historiography.

""It is not the first time when you act in such manner..." it is about the fact that is not the first time when you quote untrusted Internet sources or books written by enthusiast ins ted historians.

This post has been edited by horia on October 15, 2012 07:02 am

denes why you didn"t find this map and start a topic
http://moldova.go.ro/imagini/harti/romare2.gif
?

"adicontackt", this is not a good example because it represents the XXth century.
All this battle entrenched under this topic should get refrained under the 8th century shown by the original map.

Seeing all this street fight, I have to say that as usual no side is 100 percent angelic: some people here should refrain their wording and should be more careful in the way they express their point of view.
In the same I am myself convinced that Gen. Denes, as a very intelligent person that I am sure he is, anticipated this kind of anger at least up to a predictable point, before he decided to start this topic.

This post has been edited by Florin on October 15, 2012 10:39 pm

I am sorry to say, Florin, I am not that intelligent, because honestly I did not anticipate at all the amount of extreme and nationalist slur this thread would generate.

As noted earlier, "I found this series of maps by accident, being advertised on the bottom of this forum. I simply wanted to ask other members' opinion about it, from a purely historical approach." That's all I intended to achieve, without any "hidden agenda". And I learned a good lesson, namely that's impossible to conduct a dialogue here due to a handful of people, a vociferous minority, as instead of the ball they decided to play the player, and this is a shame.

Florin, I have to highlight you as one of the very few people who actually tried to contribute with meaningful historical comments regarding the various maps found in the site featured by the Google ad, without engaging in a personal attack. This is commendable, and should act as a model to follow.

From my point of view, this thread can be locked, as it leaves to nowhere.

Gen. Dénes

This post has been edited by Dénes on October 15, 2012 06:06 pm

John Cena, a WWE superstar, has a very good message on his T-shirt: "Rise Above Hate."

I'm sure you knew that by posting a map that does not show the presence of Romance/Romanized people north of the Danube (like the map I posted does) and then by asking "also there was nobody in Transylvania?" you were bound to create a s***storm. The subject is sensitive and the inaccurate map and the way you worded the questions didn't help. That doesn't mean some forumists should have attacked you. Maybe the lesson we should all learn is both to avoid personal attack and to respect other's sensitivities if possible.

I agree with your statement.

Gen. Dénes

All I can say is that I am very disappointed with the reactions in this topic. It seems we are still far from being able to discuss sensitive issues with maturity.

Topic closed.