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Clasps of the Crusade Medal, Formerly known as "Rod"

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Hummel	Posted: March 06, 2005 09:47 pm
Caporal Group: Members Posts: 135 Member No.: 435 Joined: December 29, 2004	Somebody has information how much was is given of such rods? And somebody has rod Stalingrad? If there is that send a photo! Beforehand is grateful. Attached Image

b737	Posted: March 07, 2005 11:00 pm
Plutonier major Group: Members Posts: 311 Member No.: 390 Joined: November 18, 2004	The bar you have posted belongs to the "Crusade against Comunism"medal.There are two types of bars , silvered and bronze.The bars for this medal are: - AZOV - BASARABIA - BUCOVINA - BUG - CAUCAZ - CRIMEA - DOBROGEA - DONET - MAREA NEAGRA - NIPRU - NISTRU - ODESSA and I have saw a non mentioned bar named KALMUCEA I don't know nothing about a bar named Stalingrad,never heard about it!!! This post has been edited by b737 on March 08, 2005 11:58 am Attached Image

Hummel	Posted: March 08, 2005 06:31 pm
Caporal Group: Members Posts: 135 Member No.: 435 Joined: December 29, 2004	Thanks!

Hummel	Posted: March 08, 2005 07:52 pm
Caporal Group: Members Posts: 135 Member No.: 435 Joined: December 29, 2004	New question. What to receive this rod it is enough to have " Crusade against Comunism " medal. Or how that to be distinguished?

Victor	Posted: March 09, 2005 07:10 am
Admin Group: Admin Posts: 4350 Member No.: 3 Joined: February 11, 2003	The owner had to participate in the particular campaign. In this case, the soldier who lost this rod had fought at Odessa in 1941.

Carol I	Posted: March 10, 2005 07:19 pm
General de armata Group: Members Posts: 2250 Member No.: 136 Joined: November 06, 2003	I have seen mentioned many bars for this medal, but I do not know if they are all authentic. Please find below their list: AZOV BASARABIA BUCOVINA BUG CAUCAZ CALMUCIA CRIMEEA CRIMEIA DOBROGEA DONEŢ KALMUCEA MAREA NEAGRĂ MARE NEGRU (misspelling ?) NIPRU NISTRU DNJESTR (for Germans?) ODESA ODESSA PRUT STALINGRAD

Carol I	Posted: March 10, 2005 07:22 pm
General de armata Group: Members Posts: 2250 Member No.: 136 Joined: November 06, 2003	CRIMEIA and CAUCAZ bars Source: David Danner

Carol I	Posted: March 10, 2005 07:24 pm
General de armata Group: Members Posts: 2250 Member No.: 136 Joined: November 06, 2003	CRIMEIA bar Source: Romanian Awards

Hummel	Posted: March 11, 2005 04:37 am
Caporal Group: Members Posts: 135 Member No.: 435 Joined: December 29, 2004	Thanks!

Carol I	Posted: March 11, 2005 09:12 pm
General de armata Group: Members Posts: 2250 Member No.: 136 Joined: November 06, 2003	AZOV bar Attached Image

Carol I	Posted: March 11, 2005 09:16 pm
General de armata Group: Members Posts: 2250 Member No.: 136 Joined: November 06, 2003	BUG, MARE NEGRU, DNJESTR bars DONEŢ and BASARABIA bars BUG and DONEŢ silvered bars DOBROGEA and CRIMEA bars Source: Internet auction Attached Image

Carol I	Posted: March 11, 2005 09:23 pm
General de armata Group: Members Posts: 2250 Member No.: 136 Joined: November 06, 2003	It seems that there were two kinds of bars: "regular" and silvered. Does anyone know what the requirements for each of them? It cannot be a random occurrence, as in the certificate of Obergefreiter Müller Gerhard above it was specified that he was awarded the medal with the silvered Crimea bar ("cu Bareta Crimeia /argintată/").

Cuza

Posted: March 12, 2005 02:21 pm

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It seems that there were two kinds of bars: "regular" and silvered. Does anyone know what the requirements for each of them?

Klietmann indicates that the bronze bar was for a participant only in that particular battle, whereas a silvered bar was for a participant in that battle and in previous battles wherein a bar was awarded.
That seems odd to me as how many times have you seen multiple bars on the medal all in bronze.
There was a Stalingrad bar that is very rare although copies are out there.

Carol I

Posted: March 12, 2005 04:05 pm

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QUOTE (Cuza @ Mar 12 2005, 03:21 PM)

I don't think this explanation makes much sense for the reasons you mentioned. Furthermore, if Klietmann is right, the cases with multiple bars should always be one bronze bar and the remaining silvered bars. But in the images above with multiple bars they are either all bronze or all silvered (if they are authentic).

Besides, in the certificate of Obergefreiter Müller Gerhard above it is specified that he was also awarded the medal, not only the silvered bar for the medal (which meant a second bar according to Klietmann). This could be interpreted as that was his first award both for the medal and the bar. Hence, his first bar was a silvered one, in contradiction to Klietmann's statement.

Carol I

Posted: March 12, 2005 11:29 pm

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QUOTE (Cuza @ Mar 12 2005, 03:21 PM)

There was a Stalingrad bar that is very rare although copies are out there.

Do you happen to have an image of the Stalingrad bar?

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