RPR vsRSR

How about Partidului Muncitoresc Roman?
www4.pmb.ro/wwwt/wwwcs/electorale/se_PMR_7.pdf

Gen. Dénes

Why, oh, why do people just don't understand there is no such thing as communism? Did any of the so-called enthusiasts ever read the things Marx wrote? And even him, in the last years of his life, renegated some of his early writings! BTW, did you know that one of the last "titans", Raul Castro, was a close colaborator of the KGB in the 60's? THIS is the communism?
It is highly irrelevant whether a party asserts itself to be communist/socialist/whatever, when its members are of some other convictions (if any).

This post has been edited by MMM on February 18, 2009 02:14 pm

Hi Triple M,

The Moscow events of august 1991 are quite common knolege ,and if you chek the Net you'll find lots of material.There is no resemblence betwen GKCP and FSN as the first was an anti Gorbaciov reaction and the second a pro Gorbaciov movement.The only thing in common was the crucial involvment of respective security apparatuses.
As for roots in romanian society, I beg to desagree.
Yes,there were people interested in power,lots and lots of them,and most of them,those in FSN had a comon background-PCR.Not that in other parties lacked ex PCR members.
FSN enjoyed a very strong popular suport,fact proven in may elections,which were mildly fair.I voted myself ( Ratiu ) and dont remember anything incorect.
You'll say manipulations,yes plenty of them,but the main factor remained the paternalistic factor specific to our society ( and russian ,too ) which produced the frase " Ce se da aici ",hate of anybody that gets rich through their own work (the others they tend to admire-G.Becali ) and generaly,the expectation to be taken care of.
Unfortunately these roots are still strong as shown by the results of the last elections. Take care.

Quite true, quina
The results of the elections in 2008 had not so much things to do with the doctrines, but with the people involved at various level in the leadership of all the parties. How else would you explain, for example, the disappearence of Romania Mare Party?
And I don't see the connection between paternalism (which exists even today) and the appetite for profit sooooo specific for Roma's... oh, Romanians, I meant. Unfortunately, I also agree w/ the "hate the rich" part, more precisely "hate the one who's richer than ME". I guess that's yet another reminiscence of the communist way of thinking, at least the perverted form which haunted (and still does) our Eastern-European post-sovietic society. BLA

This post has been edited by MMM on March 17, 2009 05:12 pm

Well,it seems the agreement is general !
As for RMP,you are right,its downfall was brought by personalities i.e.CV Tudor who totaly disgraced himself.Interesting enough,a similar russian party,LDPR,with a similar leader,Jirinovski,is stil going strong.Its an encouraging sign for our people !

Greed,ah,greed is everywhere,the problem is that in our country moral values desapeared complectly.Funy thing is ,that when asked 99 % declared themselvs christians,cristians that,probably never read an Evangelie and for whom the 10 comandment are just recomandations.
take care,

Sorry, but what has this to do with the topic (RPR vs. RSR)?

Gen. Dénes

This post has been edited by Dénes on February 18, 2009 03:52 pm

Nothing really, but we were just exemplifying (I guess...) how the communists and their kind still exist in today's Romania (not Socialist, nor Popular, but Republic nevertheless).

Subscribe.

And,cmmon General, be lenient,everybody likes to divagate.

To conclude (I guess) with the topic: the main difference came from 1964 rather than 1965, but the idea was to mark a discontinuity between Ceauşescu's regime and the one of Gheorghiu Dej - who, btw, did all the hard work of communising the country, killing, imprisoning, expropriating etc. - hence the "de-frosting" between 1964-1971.
Guina, what's encouraging in the still-existence of Jirinovski? I don't understand...

Triple M,you are provoking me in divagation ? Carefull, those guys carry a big stick!

So the subject seems closed.
Amin

Looool - I've just seen a documentary on Realitatea TV (the "Bucureşti strict secret" series) about the death of Gh.-Gh. Dej which stated that the "de-frosting", the change of policy and the liberation of the political convicts from 1964 were due to the fact that he knew he was ill with cancer, thus he wanted to repent some of his sins. Knowing a little more about the ruthlessness of the character, this assertion is (to me, at least) hillarious!
Here's the address:
http://www.realitatea.net/emisiuni/bucures...4247_69307.html

This post has been edited by MMM on March 16, 2009 01:13 pm

That is a very interesting documentary. I see no reason to disbelieve anything said or shown in it. As for the allegedly "hilarious" bit, I see not reason to disbelieve that Dej had an epiphany when faced with impending death. It happens to many.
Radu

This post has been edited by Radub on March 17, 2009 10:45 am

A cold-blooded killer? I have my doubts, as right now I cannot find a similar case. Do you know one?

This post has been edited by MMM on March 17, 2009 01:43 pm

You will be surprised how many people all of a sudden "find God" when close to "meeting their maker"
To paraphrase Samuel Johnson, "Prayer is the last refuge of the scoundrel."
Radu