He-111 upper surfaces camouflage pattern

Hello,
there is my friend´s photo of the He-111 1/48 in progress. He would like to make it in an interesting and nice Romanian camouflage - see bellow, but he need help with upper surfaces camouflage pattern. Please, can anyone help him ??

Yours sincerely,

David Koktavý, Czech Republic





This post has been edited by kokta on March 29, 2006 06:56 am

The colors on color profile are wrong. It should be RLM 61,62,63.


On left side romanian He-111 H3 had the emblem of 5thBG, an flying bomb.

For more details check this link. You can ask questions in english, you will get answers.

http://cartula.net/modules/ipboard/index.p...topic=1018&st=0

This post has been edited by Cantacuzino on March 29, 2006 07:04 am

This particular colour profile is 'floating' around for decades in the aviation literature. It has been copied over and over again.

As Cantacuzino just said, the colours are wrong.

Gen. Dénes

P.S. It would be nice for the modellers to present the available information and their advices on the kit of He 111 H-3, No. 20, here, too, to the benefit of the English language readers and our little community...

This post has been edited by Dénes on March 30, 2006 04:18 am

Perhaps this will help, if only just a little.
So big "complicate" crosses on the uppersurfaces, weird simetrically painted wing tips.



The picture appeared in the first (1941) issue of the book "Noi dela bombardament" by G.O. Ioan (who flew "white 20") . Apparently this picture was taken during 1941, before "white 20" recieved it's many many tricolor missions bars.
The author mentions that his plane sported eight oblique tricolor bars on the left side of the fuselage, for the eight air kills that the crew was credited with.

I doubt all those 'kills' were ever confirmed.
Can you tell us the complete crew?

Gen. Dénes

23 June 1941 - 1 fighter at Bolgrad
crew: lt. av. M. Nicolau, lt. M. Padureanu, slt. Grigore Ioan, smstr. Nicolae Serea, serg. Florin Mehedintu, serg. V. Lupulescu

That's the only victory confirmed to a crew in which Grigore Olimp Ioan was part of.

Probably the tricolor bars were missions not victories. Some rom. He -111H3 had painted enemy fighters (kills) together with this bars.
Like this one. ( source Aripi Romanesti)


This post has been edited by Cantacuzino on March 30, 2006 06:47 pm

In many pictures with rom He 111 H3 looks like only the left side was painted with bars.

This is a fragment from G.O. Ioan' war album :
apparently he knows exactly what he is saying, even though 8 confirmed victories seems pretty much for even a fighter pilot by the end of 1941...

a translation woud be something like :
"Our crew had 8 confirmed air victories fighting the enemy fighters.Proof are the 8 tricolor bars on the fuselage."

The Michael cross on the wings of nr 20. Source Romanian Aeronautics-Edit Modelism

Yes it's true

The air victories are confirmed by Ioan Grigore Olimp himself in a recent interview.

Below a recently photo with Ioan Grigore Olimp


This post has been edited by Fratello on March 30, 2006 07:31 pm

Apparently the wingtips of all H3's are in fact yellow:
(sorry if i offend anyone for i can't remember the source, most probably internet)

Could be the engine upper cowlings yellow too?

This post has been edited by Cantacuzino on March 30, 2006 09:30 pm

With all due respect for him, the air victories were confirmed by GAL or the two air commands of the 3rd and 4th Armies. Only one claim was confirmed.

I can confirm what Victor just said (confirmed by OZ Nr.15/26.08.1941-GAL).

Gen. Dénes