AVIATOR ID SEARCH

hello gents,

i just received this wonderfull gift from a good friend of mine so i want to find out more about this aviator.

Name

Ciovica Constantin
Iron Cross awarded
died 1946 in crash(this i know untill now)



many thanks in advance!

Seeker

One interesting thing I've noticed on the photo
at first sight is his RAF type flying helmet
and some of the flying coverall ( uniform)
seems to fit the pre war era or early 40's

I will look for you at Vanatorul IAR-80
maybe he's mentioned in there.

BR

Alex

This post has been edited by yugit on November 28, 2011 06:26 pm

I'm sorry but you are wrong!


Helmet is german, i had for sale different types and the trousers are a model derivated from kanalhose(wool interior for cold weather). See pictures.

this is the type of helmet, at my model the headphones were missing, as you can see.




and the german trousers/ kanalhose

Seeker

I still think that isn't a Luftwaffe helmet, 3rd airman left
of Serbanescu wears a helmet which can be of a Rumanian
or German origin flyer /gunner type helmet . The helmet
you displayed on your photo is not the typical fighter
pilot helmet of the Luftwaffe. The person on your
photo seems to wear an RAF B Model fighter pilot helmet ...
also part of the flyers coverall seems to be RAF pattern.

check attachments


http://imageshack.us/content_round.php?pag...mupload&newlp=1

http://imageshack.us/content_round.php?pag...mupload&newlp=1

Alex

This post has been edited by yugit on November 28, 2011 09:37 pm

I donţt see the picture zou posted, so I may talk about someone else... there was a pilot named Ciovică who died in a plane crash, but in 1948 or 49. Anyway, in that sommer between 15 and 20 Romanian pilots died because they were accepted as commanding officiers in aviation thanks to their communist background.

But, unfortunally, the planes (and especially Nardi) were not impressed by their political background, and so many crashed... bloody kapitalist planes!

This Ciovică was the leader of 1948 or 49 promotion

Ciovica Constantin brevet nr. 2939 from 27 02 1946
Died with Nardi nr. 162 date unknown

http://imageshack.us/content_round.php?pag...mupload&newlp=1

Alex [/QUOTE]
the helmet you've posted is Netzkofhaube, for summer. and is one of the many german types used.


here same model as mine but canvas not leather



This post has been edited by seeker on November 28, 2011 10:50 pm

Seeker

The Luftwaffe employed various types of helmets based
on their operational needs. The fighter pilots used
distinctively an other helmet type than those who flew
bombers and transports. An other helmet type was
worn by the gunners and other crew members.

The RAF B type helmet can't be confused due to the
zippers securing the stowed earphones (commset )
and due the shape of hearcups. As you may
be aware of , AAR used prior WWII flight gear made
UK in parallel with German, Italian and Rumanian
manufactured stuff.

Is very hard to argue regarding the type depicted,
on the pic but for sure it isn't a typical Luftwaffe type. The
type and size of the earphones were dependent
upon the transciever (radio) type used by IAR-80
model. AAR ME-109 pilots used a typical Luftwaffe
fighter pilot helmet.


http://img855.imageshack.us/content_round....33/71254682.jpg

http://img828.imageshack.us/content_round....annen0001um.jpg



Alex

This post has been edited by yugit on November 29, 2011 12:00 am

Are you sure of the aircraft's number? It seems to be very high.

Gen. Dénes

OK, let us take them all one by one.
There is no "RAF-type" flight gear in any of these photos. The helmet looks like a "Type B" helmet, but it is not.
Ciovica is wearing a (Siemens) LKp W100 winter flying helmet with Auer model 295 Windschutzbrille and Kanalhosen.
In the photo with Serbanescu as well as Seeker's item, the leather helmet is a Model K-33 Luftwaffe "unwired" flying helmet.
In the photo of the pilot standing in front of the FW189, the pilot is not wearing a "netzkophaube" because, as it is clearly evident, there is no "netz"... The helmet is a (Siemens) LKp S100 summer flying helmet. He is wearing the same Auer goggles. He is also wearing a Sommerfliegerkombi suit.
Hth,
Radu

Radu

Thanks for your thorough research.I opened one my
books called " Luftwaffe vs.RAF Flying Equipment "
period 1939-1945 by Mick J.Prodger.

The Siemens flying helmet LKpS100 with rigid frame
Nitsche and Guenther splitterschutzbrille including
O-2 Mask 10-67 were mainly used on bomber,recon
and transport acfts (seeker photo FW-189 pilot) but
not on fighters.

I tend to disagree that the IAR-80 pilot is wearing
the LKps100 especially due to the oval shapped
earphone hearcups nearing the shape of of the
RAF B model

Pse check attachment which I scanned from the
book. Also an attachment from "Soviet Aces of WWII"
depicting the Baltic Fleet pilot Maj.B.Safonov wearing
the " B " type RAF helmet. Also a group photo of
Reinek and his Sqd mates wearing RAF early pattern life
preservers. I therefore believe that various IAR-80
pilots used some RAF gear including helmets & coveralls.

http://imageshack.us/content_round.php?pag...mupload&newlp=1

http://imageshack.us/content_round.php?pag...mupload&newlp=1

http://imageshack.us/content_round.php?pag...mupload&newlp=1


Alex

This post has been edited by yugit on November 29, 2011 10:54 am

Radu, i had 2 different types(of many)

1 without wiring



2. and one that had wiring and throat microphones but i found it incomplete.

Seeker, can you scan the main photo head portion
in order to enable a better view of the helmet ?

Thanks
Alex

Yugit,
I have both volumes of Prodger's RAF vs Luftwaffe books as well as his book on helmets only. I also have the Briad Davis books on LW uniforms and insignia as well as a couple of Japanese books on the subject. I can tell witho9ut a single shadow of a doubt that the pilot is not wearing a RAF helmet. I have that photo (most likely from the same person who gave it to Seeker) and I can tell you that it is a Siemens-type wired helmet. If Seeker wishes to post an enlargement of the photo, you will see.

Seeker,
I am not sure what the helmet in the first photo is.
The second photo is neither a LKp W100 or LKp W101. I doubt it was ever "wired". It may nit even be German.
The best way to tell what type of helmet you have is to look for the label inside the helmet. All Siemens helmets were labelled with the manufacturer logo and marked the FL Luftwaffe catalogue nubmer. All German equipment was given a FL code that was stamped clearly. Unless you have a FL code, you do not have a German helmet. If you have the FL code, please give it to me and I will check it against the catalogue numbers I have.
You must keep in mind that Romania also manufactured some of the German flight gear postwar and used locally-made equipment matching German specification. For example, if you go to the Aviation Museum in Pipera, you will see a couple of mannequins wearing Romanian-made "Kanalhosen" and Romanian-made LKp S100/101 helmets.
HTH
Radu

it's german siemens fliegerhaube