He-111 upper surfaces camouflage pattern

This photo was published (also) in my book on ARR, by Squadron/Signal (p.53).

Gen. Dénes

I noticed that the ailerons of He 111 H-3 "20" seem to have been painted in a strinkingly light colour. This is apparent in the photo posted by 109, but also in the post by Cantacuzino (image from Romanian Aeronautics-Editura Modelism) and in the photo published in Dénes' book; in the last one, the colour almost matches the white trim of the elaborate Michael wing crosses.
Any ideas??

Ruy

Hello everybody,

1) Thanks for your answers and contributions to a discussion.

2) I saw the other forum about the romanian He-111 but I can not insert the questions. I registered already 2 days ago and permanently I have displayed „The selected user has been deactivated or has not been activated yet“. So I take the liberty of adding the question there :
Unfortunately I don´t understand romanian languange but I think, in the other forum the last scheme posted by 1-0-9 is correct, isn´t it ???

3) I will post some informations about the He-111 kit after talking to my friend who is building this kit.

4) In summary, there is a few observations for now :

The romanian He-111 had the emblem of 5thBG on the left side.
Upper surfaces were painted in RLM 61,62,63 with yellow wing tips.
The He-111 upper wing surfaces had the big „complicate“ crosses.
The cowlings are probably in RLM 61 ( based on some photos).
Some of the He-111´s ailerons were painted in an unknown light color.

David

Yes, it's more appropiate last scheme of upper cammo (RLM 61, 62, 63).
but the light color ailerons ( grey ?) , yellow wingtip and big crosses on wings you can use it only for He -111 H3 no. 20 (it could be some diference for other He 111 numbers).
I didn't see pictures with left side of this He 111 no 20 but I believe has painted the missions bars on left side fuselage.

This post has been edited by Cantacuzino on April 07, 2006 03:58 am

In my opinion the upper surfaces cammo scheme of Rumanian He-111 H3 is:


This post has been edited by Cantacuzino on April 07, 2006 03:54 am

Also - as said above - the wingtips and ailerons (perhaps the engine cowlings, too) were painted in different colours.

Gen. Dénes

This post has been edited by Cantacuzino on April 07, 2006 03:55 am

I attached two pictures . One german and one romanian HE 111 both with same cammo ( so it's not a romanian cammo )


german He 111 (source czech He111 book)


romanian He 111 (source DM coll.)


This post has been edited by Cantacuzino on April 07, 2006 04:03 am

This is an apropriate upper cammo color draw for He 111 no 20 (RLM 61, 62, 63.)


This post has been edited by Cantacuzino on April 07, 2006 04:00 am

Another picture with a romanian He 111 H3 (no 14). Source SMP.

The 5thBG emblem ("flying bomb") visible on left side fuselage.




This post has been edited by Cantacuzino on April 07, 2006 03:48 am

I forget to tell that the colors used by the Rumanian He111 H3 (in my opinion)are RLM 61,62,63.
I put the photo for the camouflage scheme not for RLM referent (see the left wing)

This post has been edited by Cantacuzino on April 07, 2006 03:52 am

Photo from Denes book.

This post has been edited by Cantacuzino on April 07, 2006 03:52 am

Ok, now I understand you wanted to represent only the color delimitation upper surfaces.



This post has been edited by Cantacuzino on April 07, 2006 03:50 am

Why was the coloured drawing switched with a black/white one? This way, my comments are pointless.

As for the camouflage colours, I already identified them as RLM 61/62/63/65 in my Squadron/Signal book on ARR, published in 1999 (rear cover).

Gen. Dénes

Because MGC made a mistake with the color drawing. He wanted a RLM 61,62,63 (dark brown, medium green and grey colors) cammo but instead he posted a close to RLM 71,72,02 (dark green ,medium green, and grey) cammo color drawing.

Quote MGC:

All of us were foolish by this mistake. So no pointless to debate the RLM colors. We all (MGC, Denes, Cantacuzino ...) agree that romanian He 111 H3 had RLM 61,62,63 upper cammo.

This post has been edited by Cantacuzino on April 07, 2006 03:42 am