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Posted: February 22, 2009 08:29 pm
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LupulDac, I suppose you didn't bother to read the forum rules or you think they are trivial and on the Internet you are free to say everything you want.

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I won't ban you now, although I suppose I will do it in the future in the eventuality you will have a reckless urge to post on this forum. I'm not gonna start a debate with you on what xenophobic, hateful or slanderous remarks mean because here is not a place for small drama.

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"Indeed, the youth were attracted into believing those things, because they were seeing good things happening, like doing voluntary jobs to do good for poor people."

and doing volontary work for people is a bad thing...ok...i get it, you are right let's all think of ourselves...the hell with the country, it's history, it's people...like who cares if politics and politicians, take advantage of the middle and lower classes...........here's a thought for you.


Not that I have a major interest in economics but you must be really naive to think that the problems of a country can be solved with voluntary jobs. On the other hand, doing publicized voluntary jobs are a very effective way to gain attention and popularity.

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About becalli...like i said before....politics...he is only right oriented as a political party, yet he has no connection whatsoever with the legionnary movement, and its beliefs...the legionnares don't and are not helping for votes...because the legionnary movement isn't a political party, it's a school of the mind, where you learn to become organized, love those around you, respect and honor your native land, history and people who fought for and protected this land. Not the demagogical people we see on TV every day...spreading false hope and lies, people die and have died in this country more because of lack of jobs given through coruption, people that literally have no right to finish a college because are not that well prepared rise to be "hot-shots" in society because they buy their status and education...and those who actually study hard and work for their education have no room left because of the corupt, dirty dogs that ......all this is worth way lot more than what the legionnares did and wanted to accomplish through their movement...


Unfortunately, if you haven't realized it by now, some of the greatest tragedies in history were committed on the basis of such "school of mind", which, as history shows, leads to nothing but brainwash and turning people into order-obeying machines.

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About CAROL II...he was a meare pawn...most of the internal stuff was done by his ministers...he did not agree to such actions


Do you mean Carol II did not agree with actions against the Legionary Movement or what? huh.gif

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I'm not appolagizing for them...i just presented a piece of history other than what you learn in school...have you at least tried to read something they wrote, have you read anything from Corneliu Zelea Codreanu himself? Ion Mota? even the poetry of Radu Gyr and Mihai Eminescu (yes he was a legionnaire too...look it up if you don't believe me), Noica, Cioran ... now that's love for country and people...not property and money.


Have you read Utopia by Thomas Morus? Care to comment about it? And about Mihai Eminescu as being a legionnaire, he was nationalist, but there was not a legionnaire movement concept at that time. I don't know what crap I have to read in order to find out that Eminescu was a legionnaire, but the Nazis dig out some ancient stones and claimed they have found evidence the Arian race was destined to lead the world. This is just an ordinary manipulation of history.

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Property and money isn't what this country needs, it needs a national identity...


You are completely wrong, even if it is cool to think you are not.

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first of all..."legiunea arhanghelului mihail" was NOT an extremist movement, they weren't set to pogrom jews and gypsies...all they wanted was that true romanian people had first option to everything concerning their country...like jobs, education, and many other things like that...if the foreigners don't like it...they can go back to where they came from, and work there and putting my fellow romanians on the street.


In theory the legion was not an extremist movement, but in practice it was very much so. So are you saying that not all of the Romanian citizens had equal options in the country? Should Romania's other ethnics be second class citizens, and Romanian ethnics should have the first option? Are you suggesting that the multicultural and multi-ethnic nations such as United Kingdom are not an example of civilization (which by the way, learned the hard way not to treat his own people as second class citizens many decades before the "great" concept of the Romanian legionnaire movement to arise)?

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...the big self-promoted Marshal Ion Antonescu, betrayed them once he was powerful enough....why do i say betrayed because he needed them to get powerful because nobody else wanted to support him.


Wrong, Ion Antonescu did not need the Legionary Movement to gain power, he was entitled with those powers by Carol II at the time of his abdication.

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And even though they killed a few people, if they hadn't those people would've killed them anyway themselves...because they where true not selfcentered and would have messed up their wealth and power... and oh no they wouldn't want that to happen , what about their lavish parties and propaganda with money stolen from the state funds.


Please tell us what lavish parties and which money Armand Calinescu stole from the state funds? His egocentricity had allowed the Polish government and army seek refuge in Romania, for the discontent of the Germany. A Germany who sponsored his assassination. So much about self interests!

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Let me ask you something why does a king need a castle? is it not for show? his whole leadearship skill are based on a bunch of bricks and mortar.........those castles were built from public funds...funds that could've helped improve the lifestyle in romania


Have you been living under a rock until yesterday?
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Posted: February 22, 2009 09:07 pm
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i'm going to stop posting in this topic for obvious reasons...any other thing you are interested in please PM me...we'll talk there...thank you
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Posted: March 04, 2009 12:30 pm
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Many posts were moved to the General Discussio Forum. Get back to the orginal topic.
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Posted: March 04, 2009 02:47 pm
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Thanks, Victor!
Let's get back to political assasinations, then! I believe the last "political assasination" was that of Lucreţiu Pătrăşcanu, though it was much like an execution - so there were political assasinations after 1945 as well!


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Posted: March 04, 2009 04:24 pm
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And Chivu Stoica too. His "suicide" story is very questionable.
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Posted: March 04, 2009 04:49 pm
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Nevertheless, questionable. Do you know of any new researches/writings about it?
Except Tismăneanu and memories of such as Brucan and others...


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Posted: March 04, 2009 08:06 pm
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If you got to Patrascanu dont forget St.Foris executed by Pantiusa.On the same line,indirect killing of most of romanian elite in comunist extermination prisons,which afected our country infinitely more then "alde" Patrascanu,Chivu,etc.Those,at least,knew very well what game they were playng and got what they preachd.No spare tears !
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  Posted: March 04, 2009 08:12 pm
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What tears? I didn't mention Foriş because that happened in 1944, before the communist rule. What happened in prisons was extermination, not assasination.


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