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Imperialist

Posted: March 26, 2006 09:21 pm

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QUOTE (RonHood @ Mar 26 2006, 06:56 PM)

Imperialist,

I found some slim references on the net to something like that but I've never found the video or any more info. I did find some folks in England who tried to make iron but from what I read they had some technical problems.

Yes, the movie was online for only 1 week. If you would've asked me earlier I could've posted it for you, since I actually captured it. Unfortunately I decided to erase it afterwards.
You can write to TVR International at this address: mailto:tvri@tvr.ro
Ask them about an episode of "Enigme in Carpati" documentary from January 2006, or any documentary in January that relates to this metallurgy "reenactment" subject.
I believe they will answer quicker than the others, since they are internationally oriented and their documentaries had english subtitiles. So presumably they are interested in foreign feedback. Maybe they will be kind enough to give you the needed info.

wish you luck

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dragos03	Posted: March 26, 2006 09:34 pm
Capitan Group: Members Posts: 641 Member No.: 163 Joined: December 13, 2003	Contact Mr. Silviu Teodor from the National History Museum in Bucharest. His adress is: teo at mnir.ro He may be able to help you. [@ edited out]

RonHood	Posted: March 27, 2006 03:14 am
Soldat Group: Members Posts: 11 Member No.: 856 Joined: March 24, 2006	Thank you Imperialist. I'll contact them. I think the info about Sarmizegetusa is starting to come together. It looks like there were in fact several workshops and possibly 5 or 6 foundries located on the site. I've also found references to the quality of the steel being produced and it is exceptional. Iron is hard enough to make but actually making steel is with a high carbon content is amazing. Dragos... I'll get an email off to him forthwith. Thank you for the contact. Before I write I need to know if it's OK for me to say that I received the headsup on this board. He might be reticent to exchange emails if he thinks I came out of the blue. Also it might be a good idea to edit his address to remove the @ sign so the web crawlers don't add the poor guy's email to some porno list. Then again he might like porno..... I have a lot of questions... That Dacia.Org site has a lot of interesting material. I'm sorting through it. Fun reading. One question keeps coming up... Just how do I get to Sarmizegetusa? Is it a long hike i.e. multi day or overnight or is it close to the road? Is Deva a good choice for a base from which to explore? Thanks again guys. Because of you I'm beginning to feel like I might be able to fairly represent the value of ancient Dacia to Western Civilization. Ron

Imperialist	Posted: March 27, 2006 06:07 am
General de armata Group: Members Posts: 2399 Member No.: 499 Joined: February 09, 2005	Ron, this site also has an english section with info about dacians: http://www.gk.ro/sarmizegetusa/index_files/meniu.htm Unfortunately it doesnt mention (from what I've seen at least) the fact that Caesar himself planned a campaign in Dacia and that the first Roman military invasion into Dacia took place in 9 AD. -------------------- I

bebe

Posted: March 27, 2006 08:18 am

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fairly represent the value of ancient Dacia to Western Civilization.

by searching the sites with metal detectors or buying kosons or other artefacts on the black market.
I just hope you,RonHood you're not one of them.

this was kind of off-topic

dragos03	Posted: March 27, 2006 09:11 am
Capitan Group: Members Posts: 641 Member No.: 163 Joined: December 13, 2003	You can tell Mr. Teodor that you got his adress from this forum. But his e-mail is listed on the site of the Museum anyway. Some time ago i sent e-mails to almost all the museums in Romania, to get information for a magazine that i'm editing. The only people that replied and tried to help were Mr. Teodor and Mr. Mihai Fifor, the Director of the regional museum from Craiova (mihai_fifor at yahoo.com). You can get to Sarmizegetusa by car, if you use an off-road one. With a normal car you can get close to it but a 2-3 hours hike is still needed.

mabadesc

Posted: March 27, 2006 03:50 pm

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I'm very tired of all that stuff now. I have a young wife and a two year old baby and it's time for me to stay away from battle and just pursue my studies.

Thanks for your answer and best of luck with your research and studies.

RonHood	Posted: March 27, 2006 07:15 pm
Soldat Group: Members Posts: 11 Member No.: 856 Joined: March 24, 2006	Thanks Guys! Bebe, You have no worries on that account. I helped work on the US "Antiquities Act" back in the 80's when I worked at the University. It is enough for me to "feel" a place or a thing to get a sense of wonder. Robin Hood would do no less right erotoh? I can't really make out what the map shows. It looks like farmland to me and all the photos I've seen show Ancient Sarmizegetusa on top of a mountain in thick woods. Is Deva a good base for explorations of the area? What town is closest to Ancient Sarmizegetusa? Thank you!

RonHood	Posted: March 28, 2006 01:36 am
Soldat Group: Members Posts: 11 Member No.: 856 Joined: March 24, 2006	Oops... I just editied my post and you provided the info I found! Ron

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Posted: March 28, 2006 01:49 am

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QUOTE (Dénes @ Mar 28 2006, 01:44 AM)

QUOTE (eratoh @ Mar 28 2006, 07:26 AM)

its just north [10miles] of Timisoara .. very close to where you'll be.

its a little village called cornesti, which was zsadany which is now in Hungary [www.zsadany.hu]

There are no less than seven (!) Cornesti in Transylvania.
The one you're looking for, Cornesi (formerly known as Jadani), in Hungarian Mezözsadány, is located at about 10 km N. of Timisoara (Temesvár, Temeschwar):
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formt...0n4&ambiguity=1

Good luck with your 'hunting' and keep us posted.

Gen. Dénes

yes you are right.

i called it zsadany because of this map
http://www.dvhh.org/mercydorf/info/images/...orf_Zsadany.jpg ... you'll note the feature is described as "romer schanze" roman earthworks

and the coincidence with the hungarian zsadany

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Posted: March 28, 2006 06:24 am

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QUOTE (RonHood @ Mar 27 2006, 09:15 PM)

Is Deva a good base for explorations of the area? What town is closest to Ancient Sarmizegetusa?

Deva is one of the large cities in the area and definately offers better accomodation than Orastie could, but it isn't the closest one. Orastie is. It seems to be better to choose a hostel (pensiune) instead of a hotel. See here:
http://www.roturism.com/cazare/Hunedoara/Orastie.html

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Posted: March 28, 2006 10:19 pm

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(39)To return, then, to my subject. The aforesaid race of which I speak is known to have had Filimer as king while they remained in their first home in Scythia near Maeotis. In their second home, that is in the countries of Dacia, Thrace and Moesia, Zalmoxes reigned, whom many writers of annals mention as a man of remarkable learning in philosophy. Yet even before this they had a learned man Zeuta, and after him Dicineus; and the third was Zalmoxes of whom I have made mention above. Nor did they lack teachers of wisdom. (40) Wherefore the Goths have ever been wiser than other barbarians and were nearly like the Greeks, as Dio relates, who wrote their history and annals with a Greek pen. He says that those of noble birth among them, from whom their kings and priests were appointed, were called first Tarabostesei and then Pilleati. Moreover so highly were the Getae praised that Mars, whom the fables of poets call the god of war, was reputed to have been born among them. Hence Virgil says:

"Father Gradivus rules the Getic fields."

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Now Dio, the historian and diligent investigator of ancient times, who gave to his work the title "Getica" (and the Getae we have proved in a previous passage to be Goths, on the testimony of Orosius Paulus)--this Dio, I say, makes mention of a later king of theirs named Telefus.

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(67) Then when Buruista was king of the Goths, Dicineus came to Gothia at the time when Sulla ruled the Romans. Buruista received Dicineus and gave him almost royal power. It was by his advice the Goths ravaged the lands of the Germans, which the Franks now possess. (68) Then came Caesar, the first of all the Romans to assume imperial power and to subdue almost the whole world, who conquered all kingdoms and even seized islands lying beyond our world, reposing in the bosom of Ocean. He made tributary to the Romans those that knew not the Roman name even by hearsay, and yet was unable to prevail against the Goths, despite his frequent attempts. Soon Gaius Tiberius reigned as third emperor of the Romans, and yet the Goths continued in their kingdom unharmed. (69) Their safety, their advantage, their one hope lay in this, that whatever their counsellor Dicineus advised should by all means be done; and they judged it expedient that they should labor for its accomplishment. And when he saw that their minds were obedient to him in all things and that they had natural ability, he taught them almost the whole of philosophy, for he was a skilled master of this subject. Thus by teaching them ethics he restrained their barbarous customs; by imparting a knowledge of physics he made them live naturally under laws of their own, which they possess in written form to this day and call belagines. He taught them logic and made them skilled in reasoning beyond all other races; he showed them practical knowledge and so persuaded them to abound in good works. By demonstrating theoretical knowledge he urged them to contemplate the twelve signs and the courses of the planets passing through them, and the whole of astronomy. He told them how the disc of the moon gains increase or suffers loss, and showed them how much the fiery globe of the sun exceeds in size our earthly planet. He explained the names of the three hundred and forty-six stars and told through what signs in the arching vault of the heavens they glide swiftly from their rising to their setting.

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When he too had departed from human affairs, Coryllus ascended the throne as king of the Goths and for forty years ruled his people in Dacia.

JORDANES
THE ORIGIN AND DEEDS OF THE GOTHS

http://www.ucalgary.ca/~vandersp/Courses/t...eti.html#united

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A force of Goths launched one of the first major "barbarian" invasions of the Roman Empire in 267 (Hermannus Contractus, quoting Eusebius, has "263: Macedonia, Graecia, Pontus, Asia et aliae provinciae depopulantur per Gothos"). A year later, they suffered a devastating defeat at the Battle of Naissus and were driven back across the Danube River by 271. This group then settled on the other side of the Danube from Roman territory and established an independent kingdom centered on the abandoned Roman province of Dacia, as the Visigoths.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goths

So what exactly is the relationship between Goths and Dacians. Jordanes equates Dacians with Goths. And with that in mind, its interesting to note the gothic invasion preceding the Roman withdrawal from Dacia.

take care

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RonHood	Posted: April 04, 2006 04:59 am
Soldat Group: Members Posts: 11 Member No.: 856 Joined: March 24, 2006	Hi Folks, Just thought I'd check in. With your help I think I finally figured out what I'll be doing. I spoke with Dr. Napoleon Savescu who seems to be a very nice man and very genuine in his interests. Above all he wants to see that the world learns more about Romanian history in general and about the ancient Dacians in particular. He did not try to "Push" any theory and offered to put me in touch with several scholars in Romania. I might be back in Romania to meet with him in Late June. Partly as a result of his information, the material I gleaned from this board and other research it looks like I'll fly into Cluj Napoca mid May. I'll stay there for a couple of days to see the local museum and talk to who ever I can find. Then I'll move to Deva for the citadel and the local museum. once in Deva I hope to find someone who would be willing to walk back to ancient Sarmizegetusa with me. I might spend a couple of days around Orastie as well if I can find a hotel there. I expect to hire a car in Cluj Napoca so getting around should not be too much of a challenge. I hope Romanian drivers are better than some of the places I've driven! Anyone on the board in those areas? It might be fun to meet over a beer or a coffee. I'm coming there to learn and I'll take all I can get. Ron

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Posted: June 21, 2006 07:25 pm

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QUOTE (horia @ Feb 8 2006, 01:30 PM)

yesterday a friend of mine who work on Sacele city hall (a small town near Brasov) told me thet a team from Discovery Chanel came and ask for aprroval to dig in a site called Bunloc. Thei believe that there is a part from an ancient grat wall similar to chinese wall. Personal i worked on an arheological site (Racos)and very ofen visit such place but I have never heard about this wall. Those anybody knew more?

Could be about the dacian limes....

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Victor	Posted: June 22, 2006 07:03 am
Admin Group: Admin Posts: 4350 Member No.: 3 Joined: February 11, 2003	The Bunloc chalet is relatively close to DN 1 (no more than an hour of climbing), on the right side of the road (Piatra Mare Massif), when you travel from Bucharest to Brasov. There is also a ski slope nearby. You can probably easily check it out and see what's there.

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