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D13-th_Mytzu	Posted: August 10, 2005 07:33 am
General de brigada Group: Members Posts: 1058 Member No.: 328 Joined: August 20, 2004	Anyone knows a more complete history of the Order of the Dragon ? maybe also some pics with one of their symbols.

rcristi	Posted: August 11, 2005 01:20 pm
Soldat Group: Members Posts: 47 Member No.: 177 Joined: January 03, 2004	See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Dragon Regards

D13-th_Mytzu	Posted: August 11, 2005 03:57 pm
General de brigada Group: Members Posts: 1058 Member No.: 328 Joined: August 20, 2004	oh, thanks but I have already been there... I was looking for something more precise and which can't be edited by anyone who reads the page.

Vlad	Posted: August 12, 2005 08:35 pm
Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 52 Member No.: 277 Joined: May 05, 2004	Once my uncle showed me a picture of Dragon order, and looked a little diferent. It was a dragon bitting his own tale forming a ring . I will check out with him. At that time I was researching our family roots, that have conection with Tepes since he used what was our castle at that time

D13-th_Mytzu	Posted: August 12, 2005 09:18 pm
General de brigada Group: Members Posts: 1058 Member No.: 328 Joined: August 20, 2004	Thank you very much Vlad.

Carol I

Posted: August 14, 2005 09:38 am

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QUOTE (Constantin Rezachevici)

Order of the Dragon from Hungary's king Sigismund of Luxembourg, at Nürnberg around February 8, 1431. The German name for this order was “Drachenordens,” and in Latin “Societatis draconistarum.” The Order of the Dragon, which some confuse with a decoration, was really an institution, just like the other chivalric orders in medieval times.3 As a model, Sigismund of Luxembourg took the Order of St. George (Societas militae Sancti Georgii) created by the king of Hungary Carol Robert of Anjou (1308_1342) in 1318. Its statute from 1326 requires the protection of the king from any danger or plot against him; the symbol of the Order of the Dragon was a red cross on a silver field and a black mantle. With the exception of the last object, these are also found in the new order.

In a battle with the anarchical Hungarian nobles and in the background of the other battles for the possession of Bosnia, Sigismund of Luxembourg and the queen Barbara Cilli created the Order of the Dragon on December 12, 1408, mainly meant to protect the king and his family, with the help of a big part of the Hungarian nobility, led by the families of Gara and Cilli. The statute of this Order of the Dragon, elaborated by the chancellor of the Hungarian court, Eberhard, bishop of Oradea, maintained only in a copy from 1707 and published in a Hungarian edition in 1841, has remained almost unknown, even to the investigators of this problem. The analysis of this important document shows that the order aimed at defending the cross and at the destruction of its enemies, symbolized by the ancient Dragons (Draconis tortuosi) with the help of St. George. The battle was against the Turkish pagan armies and the husits, who were outside the Orthodox nations who were faithful to the cross and to King Sigismund (Romanians etc). Barons, priests and leaders of the kingdom gathered below the sign of the dragon, submitted to the cross and proclaimed loyalty to King Sigismund and the queen. The members who founded the order were 24 nobles of the kingdom, led by the despot Stefan Lazarevici, the leader of Serbia, among whom were Nicolae of Gara, the Hungarian prince, Stibor of Stibericz, the prince of Transylvania, Pipo of Ozora, the Ban (local ruler) of Severin etc, in general great local noblemen. They were all engaged in serving with loyalty no matter the price, the royal couple, their family and their friends.

The symbol of the order was, after the statute of 1408, a circular dragon with its tail coiled up around its neck. On its back, from the base of its neck to its tail, was the red cross of St. George, on the background of a silver field. According to the first Medieval encyclopedist, Isidor of Seville, it was a “serpens,” a dragon that lives on land.

As the years went by, the Order of the Dragon expanded, including two classes, a superior one, whose symbol was a dragon being strangled with a cross stretched out on its back, which, especially from the late fifteenth century to the seventeenth century surrounded a family coat-of-arms. Sometimes foreign members were allowed in, but only as allies, who did not have to take the oath of eternal loyalty to King Sigismund of Luxembourg, for example, the king of Poland, Vladislav Jagiello, his former brother-in-law Vitautas (Witold), the great duke of Lithuania, King Henry the fifth of England, the members of the Italian families Carrara, della Scala and leaders of Venezia, Padova and Verona. During the life of King Sigismund, from 1408 to 1437, the Order of the Dragon became the most important noble political association in Hungary, loyal to the king, the main political force in the kingdom, second to the king. Immediately after being established, it served as a model for the setting up in 1409 of the Spanish order of Calatrava. Into this prestigious European chivalic institution, which was symbolized by the dragon, was admitted the aspirant to the Wallachian throne, Vlad (Dracul) in February 1431, in his position of vassal of Sigismund of Luxemburg, according to the statute of the Order.

Admission was into the superior class of the order. The symbol of this class evolved up to 1431 in two phases: the first one, as it has been reminded earlier, was a dragon with a cross drawn on his back, between its wings, from the base of the neck to its tail and lasted from 1408 to 1418; the second one, until the death of Sigismund of Luxembourg, was completed with another cross perpendicular to the coiled up dragon, having on the equal sides of the cross the writing “O quam misericors est Deus” (vertical) and “Justus et paciens” (horizontal). This sign was worn on a sash, like in the portrait of Dichters Oswald von Wallenstein in 1432. The necklace of the order was made of two gold chains joined by the sign, a Hungarian cross with a double bar above the coiled up dragon. But on the seal, another dragon was represented, with a big body, with dented wings, not coiled, only two feet with a free tail, with a very small Greek cross on its chest. Sigismund of Luxembourg himself introduced in 1433 the seal for the Order of the Dragon of this type, one of the last seals he made as a Roman-German emperor. Unfortunately, the symbol that Vlad Dracul had wasn't kept. But the elements of the symbol of the Order of the Dragon on his royal seal of 1437 clearly show that Vlad Dracul was the possessor of the Order of the Dragon necklace: the Hungarian double cross, instead of the Latin cross; the dragon illustrated on the reverse of the six silver and bronze coins that were beat by Vlad at Sighisoara in Transylvania (or after his occupation of the Wallachian throne) is similar to the dragon in Paolo Uccello's picture, St. George and the dragon; and the coat-of-arms from the episcopacy built by him at Curtea de Arges. Furthermore, he transformed the dragon from the seal to his personal coat-of-arms, not directly but as an original heraldry composition. This coat-of-arms was carved from stone, and represented the dragon attacking a lion, the headed snake, the dragon, emerging victoriously from this battle, therefore illustrating metaphorically Psalm 90 (“You will step on lions and on vipers and walk over lion cubs and snakes”). This phrase's purpose was to symbolize the victory of Christianity and that of Vlad Dracul over his enemies. In this case the dragon was a benefic symbol, and the picture of Vlad with his name (Dracul, Draculea-Dracula) had a positive meaning which was only common in Wallachia during his reign.

Source: From the Order of the Dragon to Dracula

D13-th_Mytzu	Posted: August 14, 2005 10:15 am
General de brigada Group: Members Posts: 1058 Member No.: 328 Joined: August 20, 2004	Thank you Carol !

horia	Posted: August 14, 2005 10:26 am
Capitan Group: Members Posts: 693 Member No.: 529 Joined: February 28, 2005	At the book-store you can found a book about Vlad Tepes for young people by Neagu Djuvara at Humanitas Junior editure (I think), and in this book are some drawings with the Dragon Order and some good explication.

D13-th_Mytzu	Posted: August 14, 2005 04:27 pm
General de brigada Group: Members Posts: 1058 Member No.: 328 Joined: August 20, 2004	rgr that, thanks horia !

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QUOTE (Vlad @ Aug 12 2005, 08:35 PM)

Once my uncle showed me a picture of Dragon order, and looked a little diferent. It was a dragon bitting his own tale forming a ring .

Anything like that?

D13-th_Mytzu	Posted: December 22, 2005 08:47 pm
General de brigada Group: Members Posts: 1058 Member No.: 328 Joined: August 20, 2004	Woau, where did you get that >

horia	Posted: December 22, 2005 09:26 pm
Capitan Group: Members Posts: 693 Member No.: 529 Joined: February 28, 2005	what you post is not a realistic reproduction!

horia	Posted: December 22, 2005 09:28 pm
Capitan Group: Members Posts: 693 Member No.: 529 Joined: February 28, 2005	here: [img=http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/2227/colandragon7rw.jpg]

horia	Posted: December 22, 2005 09:30 pm
Capitan Group: Members Posts: 693 Member No.: 529 Joined: February 28, 2005	here: [img=http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/9251/colandragon6eg.jpg]

horia	Posted: December 22, 2005 09:32 pm
Capitan Group: Members Posts: 693 Member No.: 529 Joined: February 28, 2005	I hope this time will work:

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