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BrianW |
Posted: January 11, 2012 08:13 pm
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I am trying to find the symbols that were used on maps during WWII by the Romanian army. By that, I mean what is the Romanian equivalent to the Soviet markings (for example) that specify whether a unit is a rifle platoon, company, an armor unit or etc?
I have posted a page from the US Army's 1945 Handbook of USSR Military Forces that shows what I am talking about, since I realize my explanation might not be very clear. Here is the page: ![]() Uploaded with ImageShack.us If there was not a separate Romanian map symbol system, would they have been more likely to have used a French version, given the prewar alliance with France, or the German system? I do appreciate any help that the members here could give me with this. Thanks, Brian Weathersby This post has been edited by BrianW on January 11, 2012 08:15 pm |
Florin |
Posted: January 12, 2012 04:14 pm
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When Romania was a kingdom, the enemy was marked on maps with red, and the Romanian forces with blue. After Romania was forced to turn into a Socialist state (not even Soviet Union was Communist by the book, if you are aware of the final goals of the doctrine
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BrianW |
Posted: January 12, 2012 04:35 pm
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Florin,
I knew that even if I did not 'know it' from a source. It seems to be standard among most armies that your positions are marked in blue and the enemy's in red. I did know about the Soviet "us in red, them in blue" from doing some research on them. What I am looking for though is the actual military symbols used to mark maps of the WWII period. Most armies have a sort of 'shorthand' that they use in their Tables of Organization and Equipment and on maps to mark their positions, and I don't know if the Romanian army used a different version of the standard symbols or not. English language sources on the Romanian army are very few. I have Mark Axworthy's book in a reprint from Haier Press, I have the Osprey book, and I have one entitled Reluctant Axis: The Romanian Army in Russia 1941-1944 by Mihai Filipescu, which is published in Guatemala. Unfortunately, none of them seem to have the information I am looking for. So, I was hoping that someone on this forum might be able to assist me, as this is THE place to go (in English, anyway) for information on the Romanian army. BWW |
dragos |
Posted: January 12, 2012 07:40 pm
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I'll provide some scans, give me a day or two.
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BrianW |
Posted: January 12, 2012 07:49 pm
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Dragos,
Thank you very much! I greatly appreciate it. BWW |
dragos |
Posted: January 17, 2012 08:15 pm
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I don't have a complete list of symbols but here are some. As you can see, they are pretty similar
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BrianW |
Posted: January 23, 2012 06:21 pm
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Dragos,
Thank you, those were very helpful. They do bear a great similarity to the French symbols of the period. Of course, that is not surprising given Romanian history pre-war. I was able to figure out everything except the middle symbol of the first group on the second page. They are mortars, ???, and anti-tank guns. What is the one I am missing? BWW |
dragos |
Posted: January 23, 2012 07:59 pm
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Infantry guns
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BrianW |
Posted: January 26, 2012 06:30 pm
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"Infantry guns."
That's what I thought, but wasn't completely sure. Thanks again. BWW |
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