Romanian Military History Forum - Part of Romanian Army in the Second World War Website



Pages: (2) [1] 2   ( Go to first unread post ) Reply to this topicStart new topicStart Poll

> Bombing Missions 15th AF, 15th AF
yugit
Posted: December 21, 2011 06:52 pm
Quote Post


Sergent major
Group Icon

Group: Banned
Posts: 216
Member No.: 3058
Joined: May 07, 2011



All :

I am posting two photos , would appreciate present time
photos of what these targets may look like. The bridge
at piatra was repeatedly bombed by the 15th AF in
May, June and July 1944. I have no details on when
this bridge was finally put out of commission.


The second bomb plot photo calls it Turnul Severin
though the 459th seems to aim at a barge or
something similar on the river. The first salvo
seems to have hit the water or a target in the
water rather than Turnul Severin M/Y .



Alex

This post has been edited by yugit on December 28, 2011 12:31 pm
PMEmail Poster
Top
muggs
Posted: December 21, 2011 08:32 pm
Quote Post


Plutonier
*

Group: Retired
Posts: 298
Member No.: 1499
Joined: July 05, 2007



Can't really figure out the Piatra pic, either something is off or who knows..


user posted image

On a side note 50+ years later that recon pic is still better than what google can provide with its satellites for that region

This post has been edited by muggs on December 21, 2011 08:33 pm
PMEmail Poster
Top
yugit
Posted: December 21, 2011 09:35 pm
Quote Post


Sergent major
Group Icon

Group: Banned
Posts: 216
Member No.: 3058
Joined: May 07, 2011



Muggs, thank you lots for your post and help

BR
Alex
PMEmail Poster
Top
romrail
Posted: December 22, 2011 06:45 pm
Quote Post


Fruntas
*

Group: Members
Posts: 64
Member No.: 852
Joined: March 19, 2006



Piatra is in fact the old name of Piatra Olt station and city.

The bridge still exists today, on the old railway which connects Bucharest and Craiova. As the current main line to Craiova, which conects Bucharest and the south eastern part of romania (Oltenia province) was finished only after the war's end, back then, the old railway going through Pitesti and Piatra Olt was the only main railway connection between Oltenia and Bucharest.

This explains the bridge's strategyc importance and the actuall attempt to destroy it.
PMEmail Poster
Top
romrail
Posted: December 22, 2011 07:05 pm
Quote Post


Fruntas
*

Group: Members
Posts: 64
Member No.: 852
Joined: March 19, 2006



And a satelite photo from the actual area.

The bridge is in the image's right part, near "Balta Milcov".

user posted image

This post has been edited by romrail on December 22, 2011 07:08 pm
PMEmail Poster
Top
muggs
Posted: December 22, 2011 10:16 pm
Quote Post


Plutonier
*

Group: Retired
Posts: 298
Member No.: 1499
Joined: July 05, 2007



Thanks romrail, at first i thought it was a Piatra near the Danube but there was no bridge in that area, unfortunately again the imagery for this area is a bit outdated and of bad quality

user posted image
PMEmail Poster
Top
yugit
Posted: December 22, 2011 10:55 pm
Quote Post


Sergent major
Group Icon

Group: Banned
Posts: 216
Member No.: 3058
Joined: May 07, 2011



Muggs....thanks for your efforts...voila...that's it !

Perhaps you can check availability on current
photos ( from the ground rather than aerial from
google ) on Fata Motrului shot by the Luftwaffe
on Sept 7,44 depicting a rail bridge. It says on
it aprox. 52 Km air distance to Turnul Severin.

Second depicts an amo dump at Costana with the Legend beneath:

1-3 Amo Dumps
4- Costana Railway Station ( capacity 0/23)
5- Railway bridge

The arrows states 67 Km air distance to Targoviste


It was shot by the Luftwaffe on July 10, 1944



Alex K

This post has been edited by yugit on December 28, 2011 12:31 pm
PMEmail Poster
Top
Cantacuzino
Posted: December 23, 2011 12:23 am
Quote Post


Host
Group Icon

Group: Hosts
Posts: 2328
Member No.: 144
Joined: November 17, 2003



QUOTE
The arrows states 67 Km air distance to Targoviste

http://imageshack.us/content_round.php?pag...mupload&newlp=1


Wrong.
It doesn't states 67 km distance to Targoviste ( South Romania)

More precise 67 km distance to Tschernowitz ( Cernauti)
Also on the map is "Suczawa" ( Suceava)
The map show an ammo depot ( Costana) in North of Moldavia.
PM
Top
MMM
Posted: December 23, 2011 06:45 am
Quote Post


General de divizie
*

Group: Members
Posts: 1463
Member No.: 2323
Joined: December 02, 2008



QUOTE (Cantacuzino @ December 23, 2011 03:23 am)
Wrong.
It doesn't states 67 km distance to Targoviste ( South Romania)

More precise 67 km distance to Tschernowitz ( Cernauti)
Also on the map is "Suczawa" ( Suceava)
The map show an ammo depot ( Costana) in North of Moldavia.

Quite so... Actually this "Costana" is in Ukraine by now, no longer in Romania!


--------------------
M
PMEmail PosterUsers WebsiteYahoo
Top
yugit
Posted: December 23, 2011 10:12 am
Quote Post


Sergent major
Group Icon

Group: Banned
Posts: 216
Member No.: 3058
Joined: May 07, 2011



my reading error ...I didnt know it belongs now
to Ukraine

Thanks
Alex K
PMEmail Poster
Top
romrail
Posted: December 23, 2011 04:43 pm
Quote Post


Fruntas
*

Group: Members
Posts: 64
Member No.: 852
Joined: March 19, 2006



Hello again!

Until some gropund photos of the objectives shown in this topic will appear, I think that the "google" aerials, even if they are a bit outdated and not very sharp, are helpful.

Concerning the railway bridge on "Fata Motrului", I'm posting below an aerial of the area.

user posted image
PMEmail Poster
Top
Victor
Posted: December 23, 2011 05:49 pm
Quote Post


Admin
Group Icon

Group: Admin
Posts: 4350
Member No.: 3
Joined: February 11, 2003



romrail, the sattelite image you posted is of the bridge over the Jiu on the stretch of road between Filiasi and Arginesti. The Arginesti Forest is much older than 70 years and it should have appeared in the aerial photo.

Fata Motrului is more to the west, after one passes through Butoiesti. See below.
user posted image

Uploaded with ImageShack.us

yugit, please mention the source for the images you post. You know the forum rules.
PMEmail PosterUsers Website
Top
yugit
Posted: December 23, 2011 07:42 pm
Quote Post


Sergent major
Group Icon

Group: Banned
Posts: 216
Member No.: 3058
Joined: May 07, 2011



Victor and Romrail, thanks for your addition. I am attaching herewith
June 11, 44 Focsani airfield bombing with request for any present
ground photos of whatever may be left in there , eventually the
unscaved plane ID which is visible NE.

Legend :

1.Repair Shops
2.Hangars
3.Barracks
4.similar as above
5.buildings

Galati airfield June 2, 44


Oradea ( unknown area) Sept.6,44



Craiova (unknown area June 24,44)

Note last salvo is heading towards what was believed to
be the target ,the rail repair shops and M/Y.


Thanks

Alex K

This post has been edited by yugit on December 28, 2011 12:31 pm
PMEmail Poster
Top
romrail
Posted: December 23, 2011 10:40 pm
Quote Post


Fruntas
*

Group: Members
Posts: 64
Member No.: 852
Joined: March 19, 2006



wacko.gif You're right Victor!

Looks like I've messed up the bridges and posted the wrong one. Yet I suspect that since the bridge over Jiu river was located on the same main line between Craiova and Turnu Severin it might have been also a target of the bombings.
PMEmail Poster
Top
Victor
Posted: December 24, 2011 09:16 pm
Quote Post


Admin
Group Icon

Group: Admin
Posts: 4350
Member No.: 3
Joined: February 11, 2003



QUOTE (romrail @ December 24, 2011 12:40 am)
wacko.gif You're right Victor!

Looks like I've messed up the bridges and posted the wrong one. Yet I suspect that since the bridge over Jiu river was located on the same main line between Craiova and Turnu Severin it might have been also a target of the bombings.

I do stare at the map of that particular region for a living, so it's easier for me wink.gif

yugit, please mention the sources for the images, as I asked in the previous post.

Regarding the Craiova photo, I have highlighted with red the bombed area on the current map. With yellow you will see the present-day railroad track and the train station on it. The bombed area is currently the Electroputere factory/shopping mall (just opened this November). In the vicinity is the Ford plant, so one can joke by saying the Americans were clearing the ground for it.

My opinion is that the target was something different and not railroad related. Maybe some barracks or military depots.

user posted image

Uploaded with ImageShack.us
PMEmail PosterUsers Website
Top
0 User(s) are reading this topic (0 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

Topic Options Pages: (2) [1] 2  Reply to this topicStart new topicStart Poll

 






[ Script Execution time: 0.0123 ]   [ 14 queries used ]   [ GZIP Enabled ]