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Radub |
Posted: March 29, 2012 08:33 am
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General de corp de armata Group: Members Posts: 1670 Member No.: 476 Joined: January 23, 2005 |
There are lots of "what if" theories about the "German rule of Russia". Germany lost the war and they never had a chance to implement any plans. So, all talk about German colonisation of Russia is speculation... idle speculation. How about Japan? Would Japan not want their fair share of Russia? Would the other allies of Germany get any bits of Russia? No one can tell what could have happened if Germany won the war and what would be given to an allied Romania as war booty. Romania regained control over Bessarabia and Transdnestra in 41. Does that article imply that Germany was going to take them from Romania at the end of the war and turn them into Germany's own granary? Not to stir the "you know what" with a stick but apart from Transdnestra, Northern Bukovina, Bessarabia, what did that article in Magazin Istoric have to say about Transylvania? What about Cadrilater? Would they have been returned to Romania had Germany won the war? And if such a "thankless and mean" Germany would remove the hard-fought Bessarabia and Nothern Bukovina from their erstwhile ally, why stop there? Why not take the whole of Romania? The more I think about it, the less that article in Magazin Istoric makes sense. Radu |
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Imperialist |
Posted: March 30, 2012 07:41 am
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General de armata Group: Members Posts: 2399 Member No.: 499 Joined: February 09, 2005 |
That depends. Even today there are those who think economic development based on agriculture, the export of raw materials and only light industrialization is the best way and the communist obsession with heavy industrialization is bad. From this point of view becoming a peg in a German order in Europe wouldn't have been a problem at all. Then there is the social issue. Being part of a German order would have been bad only for certain ethnic minorities in Romania. While becoming a part of the Soviet order resulted in social disruption for the ethnic majority. Or put otherwise, the social adjustments needed might have been smaller when it came to joining the German order. This post has been edited by Imperialist on March 30, 2012 07:41 am -------------------- I
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Agarici |
Posted: March 30, 2012 01:54 pm
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Maior Group: Members Posts: 745 Member No.: 522 Joined: February 24, 2005 |
I agree with Mr. B on that. |
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Florin |
Posted: March 31, 2012 04:20 am
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General de corp de armata Group: Members Posts: 1879 Member No.: 17 Joined: June 22, 2003 |
I cannot resist to stay aside... (Right now my available time is ) There was an article in "Magazin Istoric" / Historical Magazine published before 1989 exactly with the subject of German and Japanese claims colliding over sharing Soviet Union. It was funny - quite a quarrel ! Eventually in 1944 Hitler gave up and made the Japanese happy, and said to his collaborators "It does not make sense to insist over something we don't have." From another source (Magazin Istoric - possible, Romanian language source for sure), Hitler was of course aware of the Romanian-Hungarian quarrel over Transylvania, and he expected a war between the two countries after the victory against Soviet Union. He intended to do nothing: no interference. Well, he said that as "what if", the same as us. We cannot know what Germany would do if things got ballistic. I read all these notes here about Romanian possessions to be confiscated after the war. It is interesting that under an article which had no written word about Romania (we did not matter as subject), there was a German map with administration of Soviet Union after war, with geographical names in German, and with Transdnestra assigned to Romania. This does not cancel what was written here. It is possible that they changed their minds, and the map was printed at a moment, and the decision about Reichskommissariat Ukraine was from another moment. This post has been edited by Florin on March 31, 2012 04:22 am |
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Radub |
Posted: March 31, 2012 08:51 am
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General de corp de armata Group: Members Posts: 1670 Member No.: 476 Joined: January 23, 2005 |
"What if" is a very popular genre of science fiction. Nazi Germany is a very "juicy" subject and "altenative realm" stories in which Germany won the war continue to sell. As a model builder I remember the whole craze of "Luft '46" of the mid-nineties. But that is just fantasy. And since that never happened, talking about what Gemany would do to Romania if they won the war is also fantasy. Giving credence to the implementation of Germany's plans drawn during the war is equally futile. It is like someone planning to buy a yacht with his salary as the boss of a multinational software company. Sounds great, but you you need to get the job first. Radu |
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Imperialist |
Posted: May 25, 2012 12:31 pm
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General de armata Group: Members Posts: 2399 Member No.: 499 Joined: February 09, 2005 |
I just found a 1940 statistic on agricultural production. As you can see, Romanian wheat production was only 60% of German production although the surface cultivated was slightly larger. The German surface cultivated with barley was only 60% larger but the production was more than 5 times larger. The Romanian surface cultivated with oats was 5 times smaller but the production was 12 times smaller. Romania excelled only at corn, where its cultivated surface was 20 times higher and its production 9 times higher. In view of this statistic, the report seems correct even in the case of crops other than potatoes. Wheat Germany - surface cultivated = 3,000,000 hectares - annual production = 62,600,000 quintals Romania - surface cultivated = 3,600,000 h - annual production = 37,000,000 q Corn Germany - surface = 250,000 h - production = 5,480,000 q Romania - surface = 5,160,000 h - production = 47,500,000 q Barley Germany - surface = 2,550,000 h - production = 50,000,000 q Romania - surface = 1,500,000 h - production = 9,200,000 q Oats Germany - surface = 3,900,000 h - production = 77,000,000 q Romania - surface = 780,000 h - production = 5,100,000 q This post has been edited by Imperialist on May 25, 2012 12:33 pm -------------------- I
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Petre |
Posted: December 19, 2014 01:21 pm
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Locotenent colonel Group: Members Posts: 894 Member No.: 2434 Joined: March 24, 2009 |
From a russian book "Wehrmacht Generals and officiers tell ... 1944-1951". The Transcript of interrogation of Lt-General of Luftwaffe A. Gerstenberg. 1947, 1948 - Moscow NOTE : Gerstenberg Alfred, born 1893 Neudorf, Oppeln (Upper Silesia), german, german citizen, no-party, higher education, in the German Army since 1912, former generalleutnant. [...........]
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Taz1 |
Posted: January 21, 2015 08:50 pm
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Caporal Group: Members Posts: 107 Member No.: 2414 Joined: March 05, 2009 |
Petre do you have the book ? Others generals that had contacts with Romania and the romanian army during the war do you manage to find ?
Regarding Gerstemberg others documents do you find ? Many thanks. |
Petre |
Posted: January 22, 2015 06:37 pm
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Locotenent colonel Group: Members Posts: 894 Member No.: 2434 Joined: March 24, 2009 |
Yes, I "saved" the book from its web-page.
http://coollib.com/b/165533/read. There are 83 transcripts of interogations. About Romania told Gen-feldmarschal Schörner (16 docs.), lt-col. Braun, Gen. Hansen, Gen. Gerstenberg (6 docs.). Gerstenberg was very involved in Romania-item and sayed a lot. I'm still thinking if post what Schörner sayed... This post has been edited by Petre on January 23, 2015 01:50 pm |
Petre |
Posted: January 29, 2015 08:56 am
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Locotenent colonel Group: Members Posts: 894 Member No.: 2434 Joined: March 24, 2009 |
From a russian book "Wehrmacht Generals and officiers tell ... 1944-1951". Handwritten indications of general-feldmarschal F. Schörner «about the former german generals Hansen and Gerstenberg and admiral Tillessen» (selections) 21 march, 1948 Moscow
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