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Imperialist
Posted: October 06, 2005 08:28 pm
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QUOTE (jivana @ Oct 6 2005, 07:33 PM)
Well the photo I have is from one of my ancestors, and it really has got the year 1917 handwritten and his personal handwritten signature with the same ink on the back side. So from the date it is surely original. And so I think this here presented picture is also old, from the time of ww1. (well, it could be a new developed copy of the original). The rest is identical. Also the form of the beard of the two men is identic.

On the other hand I really don´t know if it is a uniform or if the man was dressed like this just for the picture. Therefore I asked if someone could identify the uniform.


I wasnt questioning the date of the picture, it could have been made during that 1910s-1920s period. I was wondering about the possibility that the photo was a "funny" one, made at the time for someone who wasnt a soldier, and the uniform and background were the standard props of the photo studio... Was your ancestor a soldier in the war?
Well, anyways, could be a long shot, but that possibility got my attention. Compared with the other pictures, this one has something strange about it... smile.gif
If the man wanted a soldiery photo, he could have arranged a group photo with his comrades if he was in the military or if he wanted a serious portrait photo later, he wouldnt have done it with that background, just with his uniform.
It gives the air of him trying hard to look as something he isnt...

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Posted: October 06, 2005 08:39 pm
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Here is another photo, one that really fits in this topic (unlike the others).

According to the text on the photo, it was taken when General Leonida Iarca inspected the 2nd Engineer Regiment (26 July 1900).

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Posted: October 06, 2005 08:44 pm
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QUOTE (jivana @ Oct 6 2005, 07:33 PM)
The rest is identical. Also the form of the beard of the two men is identic.

Between the picture I have at home and the posted picture are two differences: the jacket of the soldier here has got 6 bottoms while the jacket in my picture has got 4, but they could be hidden by the belt. The second difference is the berret/ hat (?), both have the same form, but there is a difference in the colouring.


Is there a similar no.9 on the hat in your picture?


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Posted: October 09, 2005 05:51 pm
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QUOTE (dragos03 @ Oct 5 2005, 05:28 PM)
Same questions about the man in this photo. He has "311" or "31I" (31th Infantry Regiment?) on his collar.

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The man is a Street Policeman (“Sergent de Strada’), about 1900, probably with his wife. He has a dark blue double breasted tunic, with amaranth red piping, and Sergeant gold strap above the cuffs. The ciphers on the collar (“311”) represent his personal identification number.
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Posted: October 09, 2005 06:03 pm
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QUOTE (dragos03 @ Oct 5 2005, 05:25 PM)
This soldier has the number "9" on his chapel. Was he from the 9th Regiment?

Also, what is his rank and what period is this photo from?

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He might be a reservist (as he is about 40 years old), a private (he has no rank insignia), mobilized in the 9th infantry Regiment during the Second Balcan War (1913). Typical for that period was the wearing of the new M.1912 field cap (“Capela”) with the old M.1893 uniform, as the new campaign uniforms were issued only for regular soldiers. He seems to be an wealthy person because he carry leather leggings (as infantry officers) instead of ordinary puttees or high boots.
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Posted: October 09, 2005 06:47 pm
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Many thanks for the answers, Kepi. What about the first picture (the guy with the cross of St. George)? Is he wearing a dorobanti uniform?
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Posted: October 10, 2005 06:05 am
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Can someone identify the general (de divizie) on the left? Also, when were these types of uniforms replaced? Thanks...

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Posted: October 11, 2005 04:20 pm
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QUOTE (dragos03 @ Oct 9 2005, 06:47 PM)
Many thanks for the answers, Kepi. What about the first picture (the guy with the cross of St. George)? Is he wearing a dorobanti uniform?

The picture represents a Lieutenant of 16th Dorobanti Regiment, the unit that had a battalion based in Botosani, wearing a full dress uniform.
The photo could be taken between 1881, when the M.1881 “Military Virtue” was adopted and 1891 when Dorobanti uniforms were modified according the infantry model (red piping instead of blue).
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Posted: October 11, 2005 07:47 pm
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QUOTE (Kepi @ Oct 11 2005, 05:20 PM)
QUOTE (dragos03 @ Oct 9 2005, 06:47 PM)
Many thanks for the answers, Kepi. What about the first picture (the guy with the cross of St. George)? Is he wearing a dorobanti uniform?

The picture represents a Lieutenant of 16th Dorobanti Regiment, the unit that had a battalion based in Botosani, wearing a full dress uniform.
The photo could be taken between 1881, when the M.1881 “Military Virtue” was adopted and 1891 when Dorobanti uniforms were modified according the infantry model (red piping instead of blue).

Could it be that he was transferred to that unit after the Independence War? According to the list of Romanian holders of the Russian Order and Cross of St. George posted by Victor, there were no awards to the 16th Dorobanţi Regiment.
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Posted: October 14, 2005 07:30 pm
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Is there a similar no.9 on the hat in your picture?


No, there is not, there is another sign, but the picture is rather small and you cannot recognize it.
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Posted: January 16, 2006 05:20 pm
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Here is a propaganda photo of King Carol and Dr. Ney at the opening of an international exhibition in Bucharest, called "Joy and Work." biggrin.gif
Who are the other people?

Gen. Dénes

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Posted: January 16, 2006 05:23 pm
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The other man in white uniform looks like Mihail Ralea.

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QUOTE (REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR @ July 04, 2004 03:37 am)
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:?: Who is this General :?:
General Adjutant. Signature is on the front of the photo. By Court Photographer Julietta.

I was able to identify this General as :

Brigadier General Constantine Ilasievici.
General Adjutant to His Majesty King Carol II, Military Leader of the Royal Household of his Majesty the King.
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The officer in the background looks also a lot like Ilasievici.
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