Romanian FW 190 F with "Brasov cammo", FW 190 F in rom. service spring 1945

Only the middle cowling was hinged. The one in the front of canopy was not hinged.

That's it. Thanks for the explanation.

Gen. Dénes

In this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Fw_190
in the part titled "Operators" you can read:
The Royal Romanian Air Force received from Germany a number of Fw 190 A-8s used for defensive purposes in metropolitan areas. Following the 23 August 1944 coup by King Michael, which resulted in Romania leaving the Axis powers, Romania interned 22 Luftwaffe Fw 190 F-8s which were operating from Romanian bases, using them for operations against German forces. Nine serviceable Fw 190s were later confiscated by the Soviet Union.
Any comments? (Especially regarding the first preposition...)

This post has been edited by Florin on December 09, 2011 01:29 am

I always wondered why there are so few pics with Fw 190 in romanian hands, either with Michael's Cross or with the cockade, i understand that in the period following 23 august not many were busy shooting photos..but from 1945 there ought to be some more ?

Anyone ever tried to get in contact with these "Normandie Niemen" vets ?

This post has been edited by muggs on December 09, 2011 08:46 am

In as far as I know, there were no FW190 in Romanian markings before August 1944. The ones that were captured on or around 23 August were used briefly before they were either confiscated by the Russians or grounded due to "wear and tear" and lack of serviceable parts.
Radu

http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/451/12/0/1

There is a small text ( on FW-190 A8 ), shared with copy-paste on several web-sites. But its origins are not known....

This post has been edited by Petre on December 09, 2011 10:17 am

Ah well, the origins are actually extremely well known. This was stolen from Denes Bernad's book on the Romanian Air Force published by Squadron Signal.

Separately speaking, the profile is OK, but it lacks a few details such as dust filters, bomb racks and the extent of the white fuselage sash. There is a better colour profile and photo of this particular plane in the book on Romanian fighter camouflages written by our own Dan Melinte and Teodor Liviu Morosanu published by MMP last year. This book as a few more photos and profiles. I helped the boys with that book and we studied higher quality scans of that photo where the details were quite visible. It is extremely likely that the plane was painted like that for an extremely short period, maybe even a few hours after capture. Soon after, the markings were removed and replaced with roundels. You must remember that in less than one week after 23 August, the national markings reverted to roundels.

Radu

http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/451/12/0#1
http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/230/12/0#1

http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/312/12

This post has been edited by Petre on December 09, 2011 06:02 pm

Get Dan Melinte and TLM's book if you really care about the subject and about ARR in general. http://mmpbooks.biz/mmp/books.php?book_id=115
This book contains a lot more info and photos on this subject.
Radu

Florin

Maybe you referred to those, seen with Soviet markings
during the late 1944 early 45


http://imageshack.us/content_round.php?pag...mupload&newlp=1

BR
Alex

Those are FW190D-9.
This type of plane was never based in Romania.
Production started in the autumn of 1944 when Romania was no longer allied with Germany. By the time this type of aircraft entered service, the Germans were out of Romania.
In as far as I recall, those FW190D-9 were captured in East Germany and Czech Republic. There is more information and more photos relating to them in the book "German planes in Soviet Union and Russia" by Yefrem Gordon.

As I said, the story and photos of Romanian FW190 is included in the book already mentioned twice above. There is no point in treating this as a "mystery" anymore.

Radu

This can be read only in the english version, with the remark "citation needed". There is a comment here : Romania did not use the FW 190 in military operations. (Source: Denes, Bernard, Romanian Air Force:The Prime Decade 1938-1947, page 45.) Although it captured about 22 aircraft in late August 1944 none saw service, being quickly confiscated by the Red Army. Mircea87 (talk) 19 October 2010 ?!?!
The romanian version is a modest one and says nothing.
The russian version says :
The Royal Romanian Air Force received some Fw 190 A-8 to protect urban areas.
The Soviet VVS took several «Fw-190" series A and D. All planes were part of the Baltic fleet and were used for training and for research purposes.

See also :
http://fw190.hobbyvista.com/foreign.htm

This post has been edited by Petre on December 09, 2011 07:54 pm

Don't trust Wikipedia. They cannot even write my name properly!

Gen. Dénes

This post has been edited by Dénes on December 09, 2011 08:01 pm

I wouldn't dismiss Wikipedia so easily. I reckon that because so many people are writing articles for it, in order to become such a huge database, it's hard to keep a very high standard. Some articles are poor, some are better. No site is the ultimate source of information. The same applies to the books. Overall I'd say it's way above the average Internet crap for a source of information.

Anyone can correct Wikipedia.
Yes, Wikipedia is written by "random people on the internet". So, is this forum. And even if we know each other and remove the element of "randomness", we can still make mistakes from time to time. There is no "perfection" in this world.
Radu