Red Army in Romania - August 1944

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Sorry Victor but I do not think that you would be a traitor if you would continue to fight against the reds. Remember that Transilvania was under hungarian control til 25 oct 1944 when Carei was liberated by the Romanian Army. From summer 1940 til 25 oct 1944 all men who were enlisted in the army did not fight under Romanian leadership, but under Austro-hungarian. I know this because I live in Crisana region, county Bihor, and my grad-father, God rest his soul, was called under arms in the Austro-hungarian army. If you think a little maybe some Romanian units did fight against the reds, but under Austro-hungarian comand. What's your opinion?

First, like Denes said, the Austro-Hungarian ceased to exist in 1918.
Second, please be more coherent in expressing your ideas. You asked abouth Romanian units continuing to fight on the Axis side after 23 August. The Romanian army carried out the orders it received from its commander (King Mihai I). To ignore such an order, would mean of course treason.
What happened with the Romanians within other armies (Hungarian or the Waffen SS) is another issue.

Did anyone mentioned that the soviet liberators, after freeing Moldova, raped some thousands Romanian women?

Please don't make claims unsuported by proofs. It is known that rape and plunder was commited, but do you have sources for this "some thousands" ?

Yes I have sources: historians(books, tv appearances), history teachers, writers who witnessed the events, my grandma who wasn't raped 'cause she was in Bucharest in august '44, but she told me what happened in her village near Galati, go in Moldova in any village and ask how was with the russians liberators.

This post has been edited by Le_Conducator on January 18, 2005 10:33 pm

In that war as in many others ,unfortunatly,every army had his rapists.

Not quite every army
Some were more disciplined then others.

This post has been edited by Der Maresal on January 25, 2005 05:05 am

Name ONE!

The Army of Luxembourg.

gen. Dénes

Not quite every army
Some were more disciplined then others.

It's not only about personal discipline, but also how this discipline was enforced by commanding officers. For example, there is difference how Wehrmacht troops behaved in the occupied France and how did they act in Russia,

I'm sure they had rapists too...
Maybee the Swiss guards of tha Vatican,or the border patrol of Liechtenstain

Even it's not so "on topic",on WW1 Germans troops didn't behave so nice in France and especialy in Belgium.

Can someone please post a map of the August '44 offensive? It doesn't have to be a military map, as long as it's detailed and shows most of the villages.

Also, can anyone list the German divisions present in Romania (on August 20, '44) as part of the Southe Ukraine Army Group?

Thanks.

One can not say that all the armies were morally equal at war...

Even if some hate to admit it, the german soldier respected his officers, aswell as other axis civilians and soldiers! You cannot compare their behaviour in France and in Italy (where they were occupyers), or even in Romania, with the Soviet way of liberating land and people...

You are generalizing. I suggest you study more closely the German occupation in Poland and the Soviet Union, before drawing such conclusions.

I'm sorry to reply to an older message, but I've seen this argument several times here and I felt I had to say something.
This argument about the asiatic hordes is over-used without people realising that the "asiatic hordes" appeared in Europe mostly because the european russian soldiers were pretty much butchered en masse by the German forces and the survivors taken as slave labourers back in the Reich. The russian had to replace them with "asiatic hordes".