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yogy
  Posted: September 03, 2005 10:57 am
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I would like to ask you guys for help...

I look for all information on airbases which were used from 1941-1944 in the Moldavian and Bessarabian part of Romania and the USSR.

Here is a list of locations where afaik bases have been:
Akerman (@Odessa)
Bacau
Belgrad (Bolgrad)
Comrat
Constanta
Grigorypol
Husi
Kishinew
Kotovsk
Odessa
Roman
Tecuci+
Tiraspol (near Tighina)
Wilkow (Danube-Delta)

Furthermore, I have a number of names of which I do not know where they are. A lot of these might be further south, as I just collected anything I could get in the first run.
Beltsi
Boteni
Calimanesti
Ciocarlia (Bomber/See-Reccon)
Culm
Foksani (Bomber-AF)
Ivesti (Bomber)
Janca (Bomber)
Kolosovka
Kirovograd
Krivoy Rog
Leipzig (Romanians)
Manzar
Matca
Mizil
Otopeni (JG/NJG)
Pervomaisk
Pipera (near Bucharest?)
Rosiori-de-Vede
Tandarei Bomber
Targosul
Tepes-Voda
Toryshino
Trotus
Zilistea

Any info on additional bases would is wellcome rolleyes.gif .
Thanks,

yogy
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Posted: September 03, 2005 11:34 am
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Hello and welcome to the forum.

Constanta is not in Moldova, here is a thread about airfield near Costanta (at Mamaia): http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=2290

Otopeni, Pipera, Popesti Leordeni are all airfields around Bucharest.


Here is a quick map with a few locations:
Ploiesti, Mizil, Bucuresti (Otopeni, Baneasa, Clinceni, Popesti-Leordeni)

http://www.pensiunituristice.com/harta_tur...a.php?pt=romana
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Posted: September 03, 2005 12:16 pm
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Hi!

you will find below a low res scan of the moldavian region map with main cities/towns.
for the full scan, check this link (2.5M image size) http://www.d13-th.com/user/electric/basarabia-1935.jpg

IMAGES are scanned from a romanian geographical/historical/economical "Atlas" from 1938

Note:

Akerman is Cetatea Alba, not Odessa.
Leipzig is near Romanesti and is in Bassarabia as well
WILKOW is Valcov
Manzar is in Bassarabia

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Posted: September 03, 2005 12:23 pm
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First, a small correction for the first list.
Akkerman is the Turkish name of Cetatea Alba/Belgorod. The port is situated in Southeastern Bessarabia and presently belongs to the Ukraine. It is West of the Dnister River, not East of it (where Odessa is). The city has a very old history going back to the Middle Ages, when it was a very important port for the commercial route coming from the Baltic. It used to be a Genoese city, then Tatar, then Moldavian, then Turkish, then Russian, then Romanian, then Soviet and then Ukrainian.

Now, for the second list.

Beltsi=Balti, in the northern part of present day Republic of Moldavia.
See here: http://www.hartionline.ro/tari/html/moldova1.html

Boteni it's south of Campulung, in Wallachia (Southern Romania), some 150 km north-west pf Bucharest. See here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/g6.html

Calimanesti is a spa resort north of Rm. Valcea, on the Olt Valley, where teh river cuts through the Carpathians, between Transylvania and Wallachia. I never heard of an airfield there and I don't think it was possible to buil one in such a narrow place. See here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/f6.html

Ciocarlia is north of Urziceni, in southern Romania, see here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/j7.html

Culm - never heard of it.

Focsani is a relatively large city in southern Moldavia, see here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/j5.html

Ivesti is Southeast of Tecuci, on the road to Galati, also in Southern Moldavia, see here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/k5.html

Ianca is West of Braila, in Walachia, but realitevly close to the frontline, see here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/k6.html

I don't know where Kolosvka is.

Kirovograd and Krivoy Rog are in the Ukraine, beyond the Dnister.

Leipzig was a German colony in Bessarabia, situated not much West of Komrat. I don't know if today is the Republic of Moldova or in the Ukraine. It is located in the area where there is a frontier between the two today.

I don't know where Manzar is.

Matca is North of Ivesti (East of Tecuci that is), see here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/k5.html

Mizil is located between Ploiesti and Buzau, see here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/i6.html

Otopeni is the "home" of the biggest Romanian present-day airport and is located several km North of Bucharest. Pipera is also very close to Bucharest (practically soon will be "swallowed" by it) and is located also in the northern part. See here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/i7.html. Pipera isn't mentioned on the map. I have drawn this second one:
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Rosiorii de Vede is situated in Southern Romania, too far for operations against the Red Army, but it was used for operations against the 15th US Air Force. See here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/g8.html

Tandarei is situated in Southeastern Romania, see here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/k7.html

Tragusorul Vechi is located West of Ploiesti, see here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/h6.html

Tepes Voda is just East of Ianca, see here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/k6.html

Targu Trotus is located between Onesti and Targu Ocna, in Moldavia, close to the Eastern Carpathians, see here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/i4.html. It used to be a town during Medieval times, but presently it is just a village.

Zilistea is located between Buzau and Rm. Sarat. It doesn't show on this map: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/j6.html

Hope this helps.
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Posted: September 03, 2005 04:07 pm
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Here is the map that illustrates my first book on ARR, published by Squadron/Signal. You can find in it most of the airfields you're looking for.

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How did I miss that ? laugh.gif

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Posted: September 03, 2005 06:57 pm
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Hey, Denes, thanks a lot! That clarifiies a lot!

There are even some places I have been in 1997... Oradea, Cluj-Napoca, Tirgo-Mures with the clolour-film-factory, and Sibiu... Bessarabia we didn't visit, too far from Germany...

Do you know which AF's were used by the VVS in 1944 for the "romanian" operations Targos Frumol & Yassy-Kishinev? Are the ones on your map above "all"?

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I am glad I could help.

BTW, the Azomures film factory from Tg-Mures is gone since. Incidentally, I was born in that town.

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Posted: September 14, 2005 08:11 pm
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Hi & thanks all,

I found all AF's mentioned in my list, mainly with the help of Dénés' map and the site http://www.fallingrain.com/world/index.html .

But still, I need to find
- Toryshino. 146IAP was based there in 1941 before Barbarossa
- Kirovograd. 132BAP, 232BAP, 60RAP " in 1941 " "

and

- Culm. II/SG10 was based there in 1944. Other sources say "Okecie" and "Bacan". There is a place called "Bacanu" not far from Roman...

Who can help?



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Posted: September 14, 2005 08:18 pm
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QUOTE (yogy @ Sep 14 2005, 09:11 PM)
- Kirovograd. 132BAP, 232BAP, 60RAP "  in 1941

Kirovograd/Kirovohrad (48:30:30N 32:15:53E) is situated in Ukraine, NW of Krivoy Rog. I found its location by using multimap.com.
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QUOTE (yogy @ Sep 14 2005, 09:11 PM)
- Culm. II/SG10 was based there in 1944. Other sources say "Okecie" and "Bacan".

I have found a reference stating that Culm or Kulm is the German name for Chełmno (Chełmno nad Wisłą) in Poland.
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Posted: September 15, 2005 11:49 am
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Thank you Carol! That Multimap is a good hint!

Now I only need to find this "Toryshino"...

There are ca. 10 AF's named after villages very near to each other in the area of Tandarei... Do you guys think this is true or are these just different names for one/some AF's?
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QUOTE (yogy @ Sep 3 2005, 11:57 AM)
Pipera (near Bucharest?)

Wartime photos of the entrance to the Pipera airfield (from eBay).

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  Posted: November 18, 2005 10:35 pm
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Cool pic... thanks!

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Posted: January 16, 2006 08:05 pm
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Does anyone have aerial pics of airfields located on Dénes' map or similar from the 30ies/40ies?

If you want them to be kept secret, you can send me a mail to pirx AT 88-iap.de I'll keep them for myself. Thanks...
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