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Article on gen. Avramescu's death

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C-2	Posted: December 11, 2010 12:11 pm
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Dénes	Posted: December 11, 2010 12:53 pm
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C-2	Posted: December 11, 2010 01:53 pm
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Agarici

Posted: December 11, 2010 04:08 pm

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QUOTE (Dénes @ December 11, 2010 12:53 pm)

"...avea un ginere, din familia prinţului Sturza, ce terecuse frontul la germani"
Who is he referring to?

Gen. Dénes

I suspect the article's author of bad grammar/unclear writting style. I think the reference (“ce trecuse la germani”) is made to prince A. Sturdza himself and not to his son in law.

About colonel Alexandru Sturdza, in Romanian: http://paginiromanesti.com/articol.asp?codart=2-MA02-10101

This post has been edited by Agarici on December 13, 2010 11:20 am

Victor	Posted: December 13, 2010 11:00 am
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Petre

Posted: December 15, 2010 06:48 pm

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"...avea un ginere, din familia prinţului Sturza, ce terecuse frontul la germani"

Este ceva pe aici : http://www.zelea-codreanu.com/to%20root%20...20Avramescu.htm

Also : http://ww2db.com/person_bio.php?person_id=437

BTW : A lot of pictures here : http://www.ww2incolor.com/Romanian+Forces/?g2_page=1

This post has been edited by Petre on December 15, 2010 06:54 pm

Dénes	Posted: December 15, 2010 08:08 pm
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Petre

Posted: December 15, 2010 09:31 pm

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La 11 Februarie 1939, comandantul legionar Victor Dragomirescu, pe când încerca un zbor cu avionul în Bulgaria, în tovarasia pilotului Andrei Costin, are un accident de motor si este ranit. Este arestat si dus la Spitalul Militar.

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Februarie 11 Victor Dragomirescu, încercând să se refugieze în Polonia cu avionul, se prăbuşeşte pe aerodromul Băneasa din cauza unui defect de motor. Atât el cât şi pilotul, legionarul Andrei Costin, sunt grav răniţi şi identificaţi de poliţie în spitalul militar Regina Elisabeta, unde fuseseră transportaţi.

Also here : http://www.miscarea.net/guvernul-national.html
Cap. III and IV.

This post has been edited by Petre on December 15, 2010 09:44 pm

MMM	Posted: December 21, 2010 05:14 pm
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mabadesc

Posted: May 09, 2011 09:03 pm

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"...avea un ginere, din familia prinţului Sturza, ce terecuse frontul la germani"
Who is he referring to?

Gen. Dénes

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mabadesc can put some light on that subject.

Hello, sorry for my absence in the past few months.

They are talking about Lt. Ilie Sturdza, son of Mihail Sturdza. Gen. Avramescu's younger daughter was married to Ilie Sturdza. I won't go into the reasons for the marriage, but they were entirely non-political.
At the time of the marriage (1941), Gen. Avramescu made it clear to Ilie Sturdza that he did not want to hear any political discussions from him, even at the dinner table. As far as I know, Ilie conformed to this wish.

Most post-war Iron Guard memoirs mentioned are non-credible sources at least with respect to this particular topic. Some allegations have been privately retracted by their authors.

It is true that Ilie Sturdza fled to the Germans through the 4th Army lines in the winter of 1945. He knew he would have been a dead man soon if he had stayed, given his past and his father's past. But he left his wife and infant son behind. To me that's a sign that he was primarily looking to save his own hide (skin), not some conspiracy.

As far as Gen. Avramescu's exact reason and circumstances of his death, it remains a lifelong research project for me. However, I'm afraid only some still undiscovered Soviet archival documents or OSS transcripts may provide an answer (if these documents still exist).

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Petre	Posted: June 02, 2011 05:09 pm
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Petre	Posted: April 21, 2012 06:46 pm
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