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Geto-Dacul |
Posted: October 23, 2003 05:33 pm
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Victor wrote :
What do you think : Was the Cadrilater a strategic region, for the defense of the rest of Dobrogea and for control of the Danube?
Many Romanians don't even know that they'll lose some sovereignty... I heard voices that declared that when we enter EU, 1000 LEI will equal 1000 Euro ![]() ![]() Getu' |
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Chandernagore |
Posted: October 23, 2003 10:08 pm
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Locotenent colonel ![]() Group: Banned Posts: 818 Member No.: 106 Joined: September 22, 2003 ![]() |
But you can leave whenever you want, that's a big difference. |
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Chandernagore |
Posted: October 23, 2003 10:32 pm
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Locotenent colonel ![]() Group: Banned Posts: 818 Member No.: 106 Joined: September 22, 2003 ![]() |
And curiously within EU there are none. How come ?
No, they are allied by common interest and values.
Extension outside EU by common consent.
Again, not EU. Out of scope.
Wrong, this is the practical reality. All EU citizens can travel like that and a majority do.
I fail to see the causal link with instability. Perhaps you can explain it ? For 50 years it has only brought stability. All EU countries work in the same economic model. EU was a economic construction at the beginning. Cultural traditions are not directly affected (and very little indirectly).
Yes they do. Germany and France were the locomotives behind the single currency.
And all the others were blind ? Nonsense. The Swedes made a choice based on different factors and that choice of course will be respected. It doesn't hurt anyone. Sooner or later the market structure and economic forces will make them change their mind. It's only a question of time. Who cares ? |
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Florin |
Posted: November 02, 2003 05:30 am
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![]() General de corp de armata ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1879 Member No.: 17 Joined: June 22, 2003 ![]() |
And who are the ones who understood it? The Croats :?: The Bosnian Muslims :?: The Albanians :?: I was and I am still sick of: Only the Serbians are the bad guys ![]() And: Only the others are the good guys ![]() Excuse me, I have to go to the bathroom to vomit a little. So I am finishing this here. Florin |
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Chandernagore |
Posted: November 03, 2003 03:33 pm
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Locotenent colonel ![]() Group: Banned Posts: 818 Member No.: 106 Joined: September 22, 2003 ![]() |
Not at all. NATO.
Lol. ha ha ha it's so funny I could die.
Yeah, stay there. |
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Victor |
Posted: November 03, 2003 08:04 pm
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Can't you guys discuss this in a more friendly way?
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Florin |
Posted: November 03, 2003 11:22 pm
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![]() General de corp de armata ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1879 Member No.: 17 Joined: June 22, 2003 ![]() |
And... What is NATO? God??? Or the supreme mathematical law unifying the 4 fundamental forces in physics??? I am afraid not. Florin |
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Florin |
Posted: November 04, 2003 12:21 am
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![]() General de corp de armata ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1879 Member No.: 17 Joined: June 22, 2003 ![]() |
Hi Chandernagore,
I think each of us like to regard himself as an intelligent person. As supposedly intelligent persons, for each of us the situation in Yugoslavia was by far more complicated than the black and white image created by mass-media for the "poor dumb bastard ". The last words are from the quote chosen by you to be your personal motto. So maybe we have 2 points in common, but I am afraid this stops here. To start to argue my point of view, and to start to argue your point of view, represent a cumbersome task and I am afraid doesn't worth the effort, as I'll not change my mind, and you'll not change your mind. I cannot answer whatever I like and I cannot say everything I should. Even if you'll attack with some arguments, I'll not take the bite. The fact that I'll not do it doesn't mean you'll convince me with your message. Florin |
Dénes |
Posted: November 04, 2003 04:44 am
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Based on my experience on the internet, this is the main problem with discussion forums. People very rarely change their minds and points of view, after being logically persuaded by others. I have seen only a handful of cases when somebody actually said: "you're right, you convinced me with your arguments". That's one of the reasons why I usually refrain myself to engage in various discussions involving broad and ambiguous topics. |
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Florin |
Posted: November 04, 2003 06:24 am
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![]() General de corp de armata ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1879 Member No.: 17 Joined: June 22, 2003 ![]() |
Most often people reach a compromise, in between. The problem in this matter which I accept I started to attack is that I prefer to don't say everything I would like about it. Just in the 1990's a lot of things regarding World War II started to emerge into public light. If somebody would dare to make statements about them in the late 1940's or in the 1950's, would be considered at least strange by the others. So I can only hope that some of my personal thoughts will be confirmed in time by others. Even in a democracy, if you cannot prove what you are claiming it is better to keep your mouth shut. Regards, Florin |
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Florin |
Posted: November 04, 2003 07:26 am
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![]() General de corp de armata ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1879 Member No.: 17 Joined: June 22, 2003 ![]() |
For Romania was always easier to defend its southern part of the country alongside Danube. This means by abandoning Dobrogea. That's why in late 14th and early 15th century Wallachia had Dobrogea, but later she abandoned the area. That's why in World War I the Romanian Army abandoned Dobrogea and blown up the magnificent bridge built at Cernavoda. The problem remains, with or without the Cadrilater area. Today the importance for defence of a big river is much lower than in the past. Actually, Napoleon considered a mistake to trust a river for defense, and that was 200 years ago. Romania's control of the lower part of Danube (a lenght of more than 1000 km) is unquestionable, with of without Cadrilater. I consider the Cadrilater problem was just the last drop to fill the glass of national sorrow in 1940. And of course a pain for the Romanian families who had to relocate from there. I heard that the Black Sea shore is more beautiful there than in Dobrogea as Romania has it today. But this is a touristical matter, and not a strategical one. Regards, Florin PS: I qualified the Cernavoda bridge as "magnificent" considering the time when it was built. At that moment, it was the longest in Europe and the second in the world. Today, of course, it is a common bridge. If I remember right, the old bridge is abandoned now, and the trafic is through the parallel new bridge. |
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Chandernagore |
Posted: November 04, 2003 10:11 am
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Locotenent colonel ![]() Group: Banned Posts: 818 Member No.: 106 Joined: September 22, 2003 ![]() |
I do not quite see things in this light. I 'm not trying to "convince" some other poster ; the reflection is for the bypassers. They are not directly involved, they have nothing to "win" or "loose" and so they can think about things without personal involvement getting into the way of rational evaluation. Now I must admit the exchange with Florin was not very enlightning either. Happens when you're light years away in considering a problem. I merely stated a neutral fact about the NATO/Serbia story : they kicked Milosevic' ass because they had the will and power to do it (in that sense yeah that organization is closer to God than anything else in Europe) and he overreacted emotionally, still wonder why. |
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Florin |
Posted: November 04, 2003 10:44 pm
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![]() General de corp de armata ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1879 Member No.: 17 Joined: June 22, 2003 ![]() |
Hi, Well, you made me to smile, in the good sense! This is not an irony, and there was not an ironical smile. As in 3 or 4 months from now on, the site will still run ahead, and me and you will still be around, maybe I'll add some enlighting ideas. 8) :idea: :wink: __I am sorry I cannot do it now. Have a nice day, Florin |
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Chandernagore |
Posted: November 05, 2003 07:35 pm
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Locotenent colonel ![]() Group: Banned Posts: 818 Member No.: 106 Joined: September 22, 2003 ![]() |
Thanks. You too. Sometimes I behave like the bull in my avatar. This is all very misterious Florin. Mmm well perhaps you have some Serb links he he, all is possible. My own mother has Croatian origins. You never know where you put your feet ;-) Anyway sorry for my rudeness. |
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Florin |
Posted: November 06, 2003 04:29 am
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![]() General de corp de armata ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1879 Member No.: 17 Joined: June 22, 2003 ![]() |
Hi, Just for the record, I do not have any kind of blood links with the Serbian nation. To make a joke: Up to how many generations? Because each of us has 2 parents, 4 grandparents, 8 grand-grandparents, 16 grand-grand-grandparents, and so on. Back to the times of Napoleon, each of us has 128 persons in ancestry (I considered 4 generations per century.) Back to the times of the Roman emperor Augustus, each of us has 1.2 millions billions billions ancestors. This is somehow a nonsense, and by far bigger that the estimated 90 billions human beings who lived during the existence of Homo Sapiens. Why I highlighted this nonsense? Because whoever claims he is of a pure nationality, just deludes himself. The better approach is: "pure" for how many generations? At the beginnigs of SS, for the admittal in the organization the Nazi tested the "blood purity" down to 1700. That was a non-sense. From their point of view, with all the junk theories of pure / impure blood, checking down to 1700 was waste of time. If a SS member had a Jewish ancestor in 1675, and counting down from 1925, he had 0.1 percent Jewish blood anyway. OK, so the approach would be: at age 13, I built my family tree down to 6 generations. Any Serbian link - out of question. About the misterious matter, I like to let it this way for the moment. Remember, guys, any word in this site is read by thousands of eyes, known or "hidden". Regards, Florin |
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