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Order of the Star, Bestowed in 1968

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boonicootza	Posted: April 14, 2006 10:31 am
Plutonier adjutant Group: Members Posts: 378 Member No.: 135 Joined: November 03, 2003	This Order of the Star commander's cross is now for sale on ebay live auctions: It was bestowed to Maurice Couve de Murville, France’s Minister of Foreign Affairs between 1958 and 1968. The document is dated 14.5.1968. It's the first time I've heard of an royal order being bestowed after the abdication of the King. Does anybody heard of somenthing like this? -------------------- ~

b737	Posted: April 14, 2006 10:36 am
Plutonier major Group: Members Posts: 311 Member No.: 390 Joined: November 18, 2004	Who signed the awarding document????

boonicootza	Posted: April 14, 2006 10:50 am
Plutonier adjutant Group: Members Posts: 378 Member No.: 135 Joined: November 03, 2003	I don't know. The only answer I've got from the seeler is that is indeed 1968. -------------------- ~

b737	Posted: April 14, 2006 11:03 am
Plutonier major Group: Members Posts: 311 Member No.: 390 Joined: November 18, 2004	It is very strange,the order is OK, it seems to be a piece made by Resh. I have heard about "For merit"Orders awarded by C2 in exile but that is an Hohenzoller-House Order! In the romanian order system it was his invention and it was avarded "proprio motu"! The Star of Romania Order is(was!) a national Order, I think that even King Michael had no right to award this Order from his exile.... ! Who knows! It would be interesting to see the awarding document. I saw also pictures with King Mihai's daughter wearing the Grand Gross of the Carol Order!

Carol I	Posted: April 14, 2006 11:06 am
General de armata Group: Members Posts: 2250 Member No.: 136 Joined: November 06, 2003	Without seeing it, I advance the hypothesis that the certificate is not for this particular insignia, but for a 1968 Order of the Star of Romania third class.

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Posted: April 14, 2006 11:11 am

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QUOTE (Carol I @ Apr 14 2006, 11:06 AM)

Without seeing it, I advance the hypothesis that the certificate is not for this particular insignia, but for a 1968 Order of the Star of Romania third class.

You may be right, but even in this condition it would be interesting to know if the Romanian Royal House has awarded Orders from the exile.

Carol I	Posted: April 14, 2006 11:30 am
General de armata Group: Members Posts: 2250 Member No.: 136 Joined: November 06, 2003	On Wikipedia there is the photo below of Princess Margareta wearing what appears to be the Grand Cross insignia of the Order of Carol I. Since she was born in 1949 it appears that King Mihai has indeed awarded orders after his abdication.

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Posted: April 14, 2006 12:40 pm

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QUOTE (Carol I @ Apr 14 2006, 11:30 AM)

On Wikipedia there is the photo below of Princess Margareta wearing what appears to be the Grand Cross insignia of the Order of Carol I. Since she was born in 1949 it appears that King Mihai has indeed awarded orders after his abdication.

I have found something,in the book from NT Ionescu-Decoratiunile Romane from 1915 about the Carol1 Order:

In this case it is "legal"that Princess Margareta wears the Grand Cross insignia of the Carol Order!

Carol I	Posted: April 14, 2006 03:17 pm
General de armata Group: Members Posts: 2250 Member No.: 136 Joined: November 06, 2003	I have read somewhere on the net (I admit, not the most reliable source) that sometime in the 1960s the Order of Carol I has been recognised as a dynastic order of the Romanian Hohenzollern House together with the Order of Michael the Brave. King Mihai was the Grand Master of both orders and could award both of them. I do not know whether he has made any awards of the Order of Michael the Brave after 1947 (hence the 1960s recognition was for a dormant order), but the award to Princess Margareta indicates that at least the Order of Carol I was active after Mihai's abdication.

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Posted: April 14, 2006 04:22 pm

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QUOTE (Carol I @ Apr 14 2006, 09:17 AM)

I have read somewhere on the net (I admit, not the most reliable source) that sometime in the 1960s the Order of Carol I has been recognised as a dynastic order of the Romanian Hohenzollern House together with the Order of Michael the Brave. King Mihai was the Grand Master of both orders and could award both of them.

I read something similar at:
http://www.greeleynet.com/~maxalla/OKHSSub...antryNov94.html
No authority is given.

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Posted: October 14, 2006 03:55 pm

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QUOTE (Carol I @ April 14, 2006 12:30 pm)

A photo of King Mihai and Princess Margareta, both wearing the Grand Cross insignia of the Order of Carol I (from Corbis)

boonicootza	Posted: April 11, 2008 01:56 am
Plutonier adjutant Group: Members Posts: 378 Member No.: 135 Joined: November 03, 2003	Mystery solved. The document appeared on eBay again. As you can see it's for the Order of the Star of the Socialist Republic. -------------------- ~

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