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Carol I
Posted: April 08, 2006 06:28 pm
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The discussion on various threads about hallmarks on orders gave me the idea of a dedicated topic for the identification of hallmarks found on Romanian orders.

I will start with the image of a hallmark from a type I Commander's cross of the Order of the Crown of Romania. It's (unfortunately) the best I could obtain with my camera. As further information, there are two other hallmarks on the badge: "AF" and "A". On the Austrian-made badges, the "A" mark indicates a Viennese manufacturer.

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aviatiadasenzatia
Posted: April 24, 2006 04:23 am
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Are you sure , that the A letter indicates a manufacturer from Vienna ?? This rule is for coins , as far as I know . Can you indicate the source of this information ? Regards.
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Carol I
Posted: April 24, 2006 09:12 am
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QUOTE (aviatiadasenzatia @ Apr 24 2006, 05:23 AM)
Are you sure , that the A letter indicates a manufacturer from Vienna ?? This rule  is for coins , as far as I know . Can you indicate the source of this information ? Regards.

I have seen this piece of information in the description of various silver objects, something like: "... hallmarked "A" for Vienna".
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Carol I
Posted: May 04, 2006 07:50 pm
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QUOTE (aviatiadasenzatia @ May 4 2006, 08:05 PM)
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Here's the hallmark which seems to be identical as yours.
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950% silver?

According to AntiKrom there is a letter in the hallmark. Does anyone know what it is supposed to mean? Which letters are on your marks?
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Cuza
Posted: May 06, 2006 02:37 pm
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QUOTE (Carol I @ May 4 2006, 01:50 PM)
Which letters are on your marks?

Marks below-knight and officer are Weiss, commander Resch, GO unknown.
Only "letter" under the crowns appears to be "I"-hard to see, but not an "A".

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Carol I
Posted: May 06, 2006 07:34 pm
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QUOTE (Cuza @ May 6 2006, 03:37 PM)
Marks below-knight and officer are Weiss, commander Resch, GO unknown.
Only "letter" under the crowns appears to be "I"-hard to see, but not an "A".

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I'd rather say it is an "L". What about the other marks, "IK", "HW", "IW"? Are they maker's marks?
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Carol I
Posted: May 06, 2006 07:44 pm
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The "AF" and "A" marks on the above mentioned badge
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QUOTE (Carol I @ May 6 2006, 01:34 PM)
What about the other marks, "IK", "HW", "IW"? Are they maker's marks?

The IK is actually "IR"-Resch.
The "HW" is Heinrich Weiss.
The "IW" is a mystery-I do not recall seeing it on other Weiss pieces.
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Carol I
Posted: May 07, 2006 12:21 am
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Who used the "BW" mark?
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  Posted: May 07, 2006 05:24 am
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ARG, IR, JRF-Resch
CFZ - Zimmermann
NM - National Mint Romania
RS - Souval
HW, BW - Weiss
Image of a Swan - believed to be Kretley.
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Carol I
Posted: May 07, 2006 07:52 am
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QUOTE (Ahile @ May 7 2006, 06:24 AM)
ARG, IR, JRF-Resch
  CFZ - Zimmermann
  NM - National Mint Romania
  RS - Souval
  HW, BW - Weiss
  Image of a Swan - believed to be Kretley.

When you simply copy/paste information found elsewhere, it is fair to indicate the source. In your case this is the page on the Order of the Star of Romania from Mark Piersall's site on Orders, Decorations and Medals.
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Carol I
Posted: May 07, 2006 08:03 am
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"SILBER", "CFZ" and "MN" marks on a Commander's cross of the Order of the Star of Romania
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Does anyone know what is the meaning of the other marks? I suppose one of them is the manufacturing year (1941). If this is true, what about "610"? Was it a serial number?
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Carol I
Posted: May 07, 2006 08:20 am
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Regarding the Weiss marks, if "HW" stands for Heinrich Weiss, what does "BW" stand for? Is it a mystery mark like the "IW" on Cuza's Romanian Eagle decoration?
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Posted: May 07, 2006 11:19 am
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QUOTE (Carol I @ May 6 2006, 07:34 PM)
QUOTE (Cuza @ May 6 2006, 03:37 PM)
Marks below-knight and officer are Weiss, commander Resch, GO unknown.
Only "letter" under the crowns appears to be "I"-hard to see, but not an "A".

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I'd rather say it is an "L". What about the other marks, "IK", "HW", "IW"? Are they maker's marks?

I found on a silver object , the same hallmark :

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Carol I
Posted: May 07, 2006 11:28 am
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QUOTE (aviatiadasenzatia @ May 7 2006, 12:19 PM)
I found on a silver object , the same hallmark :

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Yours might be a Finish marking.

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Finnish hallmarks are similar to Swedish. A crown inside a heart indicates local manufacture, a crown in an oval for imports. Place of assay, maker’s mark and date letter/number may be added.
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