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Dr_V |
Posted: June 24, 2004 11:12 pm
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The list of Romanian ships captured by the Soviets in 1944:
1) At Constanta harbor on September 5th: Destroyers: - Regina Maria - Regele Ferdinand - undergoing repairs (heavy damaged by bombs on 20.08.’44) - Marasti - Marasesti Torpedo boats: - Zmeul - Zborul Gunboats: - Dumitrescu - Ghiculescu - Stihi Eugen Minelayer: Adm. Murgescu – damaged by bombs from 21.08.’44 Submarines depot ship: Constanta Submarines: - Delfinul (at Corabia 19.09) – undergoing general repairs - Rechinul (Constanta harbor 5.09) - Marsuinul (Constanta harbor 5.09) MTB (speedboats): - Viscolul – damaged by bombs 20.08.’44 - Vedenia – out of duty with mechanical problems - Vantul - out of duty with mechanical problems - Vijelia - out of duty with mechanical problems - Viforul - out of duty with mechanical problems - Vartejul - out of duty with mechanical problems - Vulcanul - out of duty with mechanical problems Commander in Chief’s speedboat: MR 131 Small speedboat: MR 158 Torpedo practice tenders: - MR 136 - MR 137 Self propelled barge: MR 474 A 400 tons water carrier Armed transport barges: - PTA 404 - PTA 405 - PTA 406 Submarine chasers: - KFK 1 - KFK 2 - KFK 3 Fleet tug: Vartosu 2) On the Danube (plus exact place & date): Sail training ship: Mircea (Braila 2.09) Cutter: Mayana (Braila 2.09) Diving barges: - MR 475 (Valciu canal 7.09) - MR 476 (Sulina 24.08 ) Mining barges: - MR 402 (Valciu canal 7.09) - MR 401 (Valcov 24.08 ) – damaged by bombs Accommodation barges: - MR 352 (Calarasi 7.09) - MR 353 / Basarabeanca (Tulcea 25.08 ) Auxiliary fixed barge: MR 441 (Valciu canal 9.09) Crane barge: MR 403 (Valciu canal 9.09) Monitors: - Lahovary (Calarsi) - Ardeal (Calarasi) - Bucovina (Giurgiu) - Basarabia (Zimnicea) - Bratianu (Ismail 8.08 ) River speedboats: - Vedeta fluviala nr.1 (Tulcea 25.08 ) - Vedeta fluviala nr.3 (Valcov 24.08 ) – damaged by bombs - Vedeta fluviala nr.4 (Harsova 1.09) - Vedeta fluviala nr.5 (Valciu canal 5.09) – under repairs (engine failure) - Vedeta fluviala nr.6 (Valciu canal 5.09) – under repairs (engine failure) - Vedeta fluviala nr.7 (Tr. Severin) Commander in Chief’s ships: - Macin (Harsova 1.09) - Cmd. Paun (Giurgiu) Surveying vessel: Maican (Harsova 1.09) River patrol speedboats: - MR 51 (Valciu canal 7.09) - MR 32 (Calafat) - MR 33 (Giurgiu) - MR 34 (Valciu canal 5.09) - MR 35 (Valciu canal 5.09) – immobilized by engine failure - MR 36 (Tulcea 25.08 ) - MR 37 (Valciu canal 5.09) – sunk on 19.09 under Soviet command - MR 38 (Valciu canal 5.09) – ran agrownd on 18.09 under Soviet command - MR 39 (Valciu canal 6.09) - MR 40 (Valciu canal 7.09) - sunk on 14.09 under Soviet command - MR 41 (Valciu canal 7.09) - MR 42 (Valciu canal 7.09) Ambulance speedboats: - MR 132 (Tulcea 1.09) - MR 133 (Valciu canal 6.09) Commander in Chief’s speedboats: - MR 134 (Sf. Gheorghe river branch 1.09) - MR 135 (Valciu canal 7.09) – immobilized by engine failure - MR 144 (Tulcea 25.08 ) Radio speedboat: MR 143 (Valcov 24.08 ) Communications speedboats: - MR 141 (Tr. Severin) - MR 142 (Tr. Severin) - MR 146 (Sulina 24.08 ) - MR 145 (Sulina 24.08 ) - MR 149 (Valcov 24.08 ) - MR 152 (Jurilovca 25.08 ) - MR 153 (Valciu canal 7.09) - MR 154 (Tulcea 25.08 ) - MR 155 (Valciu canal 7.09) - MR 156 (Valcov 24.08 ) - MR 157 (Constanta 5.09) - MR 158 (Valciu canal 7.09) - MR 160 (Valciu canal 7.09) - MR 161 (Valciu canal 7.09) - MR 163 (Valciu canal 7.09) - Ex-Soviet nr. 44 (Valciu canal 7.09) Small boats: - MR 251 (Chilia Veche 24.08 ) - Cormoran (Sulina 24.08 ) Transport barges (loaded): - MR 301 (Valciu canal 9.09) - MR 302 (Valciu canal 9.09) - MR 303 (Sulina 24.08 ) - MR 304 (Sulina 24.08 ) - MR 306 (Valciu canal 7.09) - MR 307 (Valciu canal 7.09) Bakery supply barge: (Valciu canal 7.09) Oil tanker barge (loaded): MR 351 (Calarasi 29.08 ) Oil tankers (loaded): - MR 371 (Sulina 24.08 ) - MR 372 (Valciu canal 12.09) - MR 373 (Valciu canal 9.09) - MR 374 (Valciu canal 12.09) - MR 376 (Rasova) - MR 378 (Oltenita 6.09) - MR 379 (Giurgiu) - MR 380 (Valciu canal 7.09) - MR 381 (Valciu canal 7.09) - MR 382 (Giurgiu 3.09) - MR 383 (Valciu canal 7.09) - MR 384 (Valciu canal 7.09) Ferryboats: - MR 451 (Chilia 24.08 ) - MR 452 (Valcov 24.08 ) - MR 463 (Valciu canal 7.09) - MR 464 (Valciu canal 7.09) - MR 473 (Piua Petrii) Un-powered river crossing pontoon: MR 491 (Valciu canal 7.09) Floating batteries: - MR 492 (Danube Delta 24.08 ) - MR 493 (Danube Delta 24.08 ) - MR 494 (Danube Delta 24.08 ) - MR 495 (Danube Delta 24.08 ) - MR 496 (Danube Delta 24.08 ) Tugs: - MO 1 (Valciu canal 9.09) - MO 2 (Valciu canal 9.09) - MO 3 (Valciu canal 9.09) - Silistra (Piua Petrii 2.09) Source: “Armata Rosie in Romania 1944-1958” by A.S. Marinescu Iasi, Romania 2001 |
Dr_V |
Posted: June 24, 2004 11:24 pm
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Caporal Group: Members Posts: 146 Member No.: 71 Joined: August 05, 2003 |
In addition, from the Danube shipyards were taken between 3 and 19 of September:
From Galati: a 1500 tons floating dock From Corabia: - a 3000 tons floating dock - the cargo ship “Cetatea Alba” (under construction) - 4 minesweepers (under construction) - a number of fully loaded transport barges [same source] |
Tas |
Posted: June 25, 2004 01:31 am
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Soldat Group: Members Posts: 8 Member No.: 298 Joined: June 24, 2004 |
Great information.
Why were some units scuttled (like the CB midget submarines inherited from the Italians), but others were allowed to fall into Soviet hands? The Germans (understandably) seemed a bit more intent on ensuring no war material fell into enemy hands. Cheers |
Victor |
Posted: June 25, 2004 07:31 am
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At that time, theoretically, the Soviets were allies. :wink: Those were some dramatic events, several officers comitted suicide, like the CO of the Destroyer Squadron, in the moment the Soviet sailors set foot on the Regina Maria. |
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Tiornu |
Posted: June 28, 2004 08:19 pm
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Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 83 Member No.: 75 Joined: August 08, 2003 |
Yes, this is great stuff. There are a couple items I'm curious about. Does anyone have the specifications for the four minesweepers captured while under construction? Any further details on the captured Soviet speed boat ex-no 44?
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Tas |
Posted: June 29, 2004 11:54 am
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Soldat Group: Members Posts: 8 Member No.: 298 Joined: June 24, 2004 |
Where did the KFKs come from? Where these transferred from the Kriegsmarine or local conversions from craft of opportunity?
Cheers |
Victor |
Posted: June 29, 2004 05:11 pm
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I believe they were of German origin, just like the PTAs (which were in fact MFPs). PTA was the acronym for the Romanian translation.
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Tiornu |
Posted: June 29, 2004 08:49 pm
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Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 83 Member No.: 75 Joined: August 08, 2003 |
I'm looking in Deutsche Schiffe unter dem Roten Stern by Lemachko. He lists KFK 1-5 as captured in Romania and renamed T 651-655. I don't read German, but he appears to say they were all taken in Constanta. One photo is included. The vessel looks different from the KFK I know--it has a foremast--but the picture is unclear, and it was taken 20 years after the war. I tried going through Groner--oy, what a long list. I think we need help from someone who knows German. Andreas, help!
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Andreas von Mach |
Posted: June 30, 2004 09:28 am
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Caporal Group: Members Posts: 138 Member No.: 84 Joined: August 19, 2003 |
I have also:
minelayer Dacia minesweeper Pasteur -> TShCh-661 tugs Romania -> ChF-51 Latru->ChF-53 Izmail->ChF54 survey cutters: Renduska->Buria Peskaruica->Buchta sail TS: Marina->PMShCh-1 Danube Flotilla auxiliary minesweepers: Gerdap->EMTShCh-656 lost 11.10.44 Bessarab->EMTShCh-657 Amurgul->EMTShCh-658 lost 9.10.44 Mortu->EMTShCh-659 Maikop->EMTShCh-660 tugs: D2->ChF-49 returned to Greece 27.9.45 D3->ChF-50 returned to Greece 27.9.45 Arlon->ChF-57returned 27.9.45 S.S.Berezhnoy "Trofei i Reparatsii VMF SSSR. Spravochnik" Yakutsk 1994 According to him: KFK-1 to KFK-5 were built by State Shipyard at Varna, all seized at Konstanta 29.8.44. Moreover there were three Romanian No1-No3 KFK type built during WWII in Konstata and seized also there on 29.8.44. |
Tiornu |
Posted: June 30, 2004 10:12 am
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Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 83 Member No.: 75 Joined: August 08, 2003 |
So none of these Romanian KFK's were German? Groner will not include any of them?
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Andreas von Mach |
Posted: June 30, 2004 01:55 pm
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The ships No1-3 were ex Romanian
known also as V.S. Nr1-3 (my Romanian notices) The other are German , the numbers are different (KFK 1-5). The following KFK are reported trensfered to Romania transferred to Romania 21.11.1944 seized by Soviets (now German data): KFK 198->UJ 311->MO 851->T-668 KFK 199->UJ 319->MO 852->T-666 KFK 201->MO 853->T-667 KFK 270->???? Were they identic with omanian No1.-3 ? Were there any KFK built in Romania ? They were discussed here. |
Dr_V |
Posted: June 30, 2004 05:39 pm
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Caporal Group: Members Posts: 146 Member No.: 71 Joined: August 05, 2003 |
The list I've posted is a Romanian official document, written by Romanian Military HQ (Marele Stat Major) - section 7 on September 19th 1944. It was based on the reports received till that date from naval HQs throughout Romania. Considering the blury situation, it's very likely it wasn't a complete report.
Anyway, any ships that were not comissioned on active duty (damaged/discarded) or under repairs were certaily omitted. Other sources mention that in some cases small river ships/boats were abandoned by their crew (deserted) and randomly collected by the Soviets from ashore. Andreas von Mach: regarding your additions to the list: - Marina->PMShCh-1 was a small sail yacht, not a sail training ship - the tugs were not armed and belonged to the Constanta Harbor authority (civilian - merchant marine), they were not part of the Navy (thaugh they were used as navy auxiliarys during the war). |
Tiornu |
Posted: July 01, 2004 05:03 am
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Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 83 Member No.: 75 Joined: August 08, 2003 |
The four KFKs you listed were all made in Germany by Burmester, Swinemunde, the primary German builder of KFKs. There were numerous Swedish, Dutch, and Belgian builders as well, but I don't see any in Romania. The closest I can find is in Varna.
Groner describes three of the four German KFKs as "delivered" to Romania, though 201 he describes as "Romanian booty." He gives no indication of renamings. |
Andreas von Mach |
Posted: August 17, 2006 06:16 pm
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Have anybody any more data about that ship. It seems that Soviets used that ship as replaceent for GHERDAP . According to books of Berezhnoy EMTsC-656 ex GENERAL MAIKAN On 28.3.1947 renamed DOLGOTA and re-classified as survey vessel Deleted from Soviet Navy Lists 7.7.1956 and scrapped Built 1909 as a tug 320t 40,00x10,5x1,1m 180hp=9,0kts 22men as a warship I do not belive 180hp for 40m tug -something is here wrong. Moreover another Romanian tug was converted into minesweeper by Soviets CONSTANTA - no data in Soviet books 24.05.1945 EMTsC-660 16.6.1949 T-660 30.12.55 despatch vessel 23.1.56 POK-72 21.1.57 PMB-48 ()river motorboat) 27.3.60 transferred to Blask Sea Fleet 1960s decomissioned and scrapped AvM |
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Petre |
Posted: April 12, 2009 05:16 pm
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According to http://sovnavy-ww2.by.ru, the RO navy ships captured were renamed after 09.1944 as :
Regele Ferdinand – LIHOI Regina Maria – LETUCII Marasesti – LEGKII Marasti – LOVKII Cpt.Dumitrescu – ARAKS Lt.Cdr.Stihi Eugen – AHTUBA Slt.Ghiculescu – ANGARA KFK nr.1, 2, 3 - MO-851, 852, 853, then T-668, 666 si 667 Constanta – BUG, PKZ-87 SBORUL – MUSSON SMEUL – TOROS Am.Murgescu – DON, PKZ-107, PM-76, PMR-76 Dacia – DESNA, PKZ-34 Vantul, Vartejul, Vedenia,Vulcanul - ТК-951, 952, 953, 954 Viscolul – TK-955 ( Vijelia, Viforul – TK-956, 957 ) ??? Major Constantin Ene (Vedeta nr.1) - СК-754 Capitan Mihail Romano (Vedeta nr.2) - СК-755 Major Dimitrie Giurascu (Vedeta nr.3) - СК-756 Riverine minesweepers Nr.53 - КТ-921 (26.5 t.) Nr.57 - КТ-922 (26.5 t.) Nr.81 - КТ-923 (40 t.) Nr.31 - КТ-924 (17 t.) Nr.32 - КТ-925 (17 t.) Nr.33 - КТ-926 (17 t.) Nr.37 - КТ-927 (25 t.) Nr.38 - КТ-928 (25 t.) Nr.41 - КТ-929 (25 t.) Nr.42 - КТ-930 (25 t.) Ion C. Bratianu - AZOV Alexandru Lahovari - MARIUPOL Ardeal - BERDIANSK Basarabia – KERCH Bucovina – IZMAIL Rechinul – TS-1, N-39, S-39 Marsuinul – TS-2, N-40, S-40 Delfinul – TS-3 Gen. Maican – EMTShCh–656 Bassarab - EMTShCh–657 (Constanta ?) Maikop - EMTShCh–660 Motru - EMTShCh–664 (Gherdap, Amurgul - None) This post has been edited by Petre on November 10, 2009 05:34 pm |
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