Vienna, 30 August 1940 - Award or Diktat ?

Hi Denes,

That is part of my point. All that is going to happen is that each side of the argument is endlessly going to regurgitate the contradictory and suspect Hungarian and Romanian census figures of 1910, 1930 and 1941 that Dragos gave a link to. This will get nobody anywhere because neither side can or will agree on the "historical facts".

As a result, whether the Second Vienna Arbitration was fair to one side or the other will not be resolved to anyone's satisfaction here.

What can be said with reasonable certainty, is that it was theoretically possible to draw a frontier that would have included more Transilvanian Hungarians than Transilvanian Romanians inside Hungary. However, whether the Second Vienna Arbitration achieved this is a debateable point now and forever because the evidence of the 1910, 1930 and 1941 censuses is contradictory and suspect.

Time will resolve this. We won't.

Cheers,

Sid.

What do you mean by "Time will resolve this" ?

That's a good point.
I would also like to see the asnwer to it, i.e. your perspective.

Gen. Dénes

This post has been edited by Dénes on September 06, 2005 04:25 pm

Hi Dragos03 and Denes,

I am an outsider with no vested interest. On the contradictory and suspect evidence available in the 1910, 1930 and 1941 censuses I find it impossible to draw a firm conclusion.

As I said above, it was clearly theoretically possible to draw a new frontier that put more Transilvanian Hungarians than Transilvanian Romanians into Hungary, but I cannot be at all sure from the contradictory evidence of the three censuses that the Second Vienna Arbitration achieved that.

As to "Time will resolve this" I refer to the politico-ethnic situation in Transilvania, not the argument over the rights and wrongs over 1940. That seems likely to run and run for the reasons I state above - the main planks of the argument reside in the 1910, 1930 and 1941 censuses, but these are contradictory and suspect.

Cheers,

Sid.

And how do you think that time will resolve "the politico-ethnic situation in Transilvania"?

What is there to "solve/resolve"?

Edit: I had the same question as Imperialist, only he was faster.

This post has been edited by dragos on September 06, 2005 05:18 pm

Hi Guys,

Romanian census/Hungarian percentage of total population:

1930/9.97%
1956/9.08%
1977/7.95%
1992/7.12%
2002/6.6%

Cheers,

Sid.

So in about 150 years from now there won't be a single Hungarian left in Rumania.
Well, I won't be too much worried about this prospect, as there is a possibility that by then no humans will be left at all...

Gen. Dénes

Didn't that include the population of Bessarabia & the Quadrilateral as well? If so, the comparison is not right.

Gen. Dénes

So problem solved = 0% ?

Reportedly Stalin said once: "no man, no problem".

Gen. Dénes

But what is exactly the problem? I don't consider the Hungarians in Romania to be a problem.

Obviously,some think different.And moreover some Hungarian ethnics think they do have a problem.What gives?

I could say the same about some romanians

Guys this discussion is beoming... funny (to be polite).