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Regarding Trianon and the Kingdom of Hungary| Chandernagore |
Posted: February 10, 2005 08:27 am
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We disagreed on those points but he was a hard bargaining, fair interlocutor 
The definitive documentary must perhaps come from the far out-side. |
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| Dénes |
Posted: February 10, 2005 05:50 pm
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Indeed, poems and songs have no place in a documentary. From the bits of info I have on this film, it appears that it was rather a historical-literary-artistic film, loosely based on the post W.W. 1-era, not a real documentary. As such, the quotation marks in "documentary" are correct. However, let's not forget that the movie was originally intended for Hungarian audience, not foreigners, who know what are the poems and songs about and what are their meanings in historical context. As a good Hungarian friend of mine wrote me yesterday, after watching the movie on the Rumanian TV chanel, "it's pity that the Rumanians learned for the first time about this basic problem from this inappropriate movie."
Again true. A real documentary should have presented the view "from the other side" as well. No question about it.
I don't know about this, I have to check what else did he directed. However, he certainly wasn't the "server" of the Communists prior to 1990 and did not do movies where Communist figures were the action heroes, so comparison to Sergiu Nicolaescu - eminent member of the extremist PRM (Greater Rumania Party) - is I think inappropriate. Gen. Dénes This post has been edited by Dénes on February 10, 2005 05:52 pm |
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| dragos |
Posted: February 10, 2005 08:41 pm
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The same director Koltay made other "documentaries" or films before, such us "Honfoglalás" (the dismounting) or "Sacra Corona" (holy crown), proving a very consistent career, and a similitude in the interest and point of view of history with Sergiu Nicolaescu.
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| dragos03 |
Posted: February 10, 2005 10:25 pm
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Sergiu Nicolaescu is a member of PSD, not PRM.
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| Dénes |
Posted: February 11, 2005 08:02 pm
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Oops, it turns out that the eminent PRM member Sergiu Nicolaescu I read about recently is not the same person with the movie director Segiu Nicolaescu...
Source: http://www.curierulnational.ro/?page=categ...ditie=737&cat=3 Sorry for the confusion (anyhow, I'm not very much knowledgeable/interested in current Rumanian politics). Gen. Dénes This post has been edited by Dénes on February 11, 2005 08:03 pm |
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| dragos03 |
Posted: February 12, 2005 12:09 am
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Funny. You thought that the ancient Sergiu Nicolaescu is the leader of a PRM youth organisation?
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| Dénes |
Posted: February 12, 2005 12:40 am
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Well, at that time I didn't pay much attention to the details of what I casually read. All I remembered is the name Sergiu Nicolaescu being associated with PRM. Now that you pointed out the error, I checked the source again and found out the answer. As I mentioned above, I'm not very much knowledgeable/interested in current Rumanian politics.
That's all. Gen. Dénes This post has been edited by Dénes on February 12, 2005 12:41 am |
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| Imperialist |
Posted: February 12, 2005 06:30 pm
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Sergiu Nicolaescu thinks Trianon to be an unjust and unfair Diktat too, needing revision? -------------------- I
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| dragos |
Posted: February 12, 2005 06:32 pm
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No, I meant that the director of Trianon and S. Nicolaescu both have a narrow point of view, but in opposite camps of course. |
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| Alexandru H. |
Posted: February 12, 2005 07:46 pm
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Moore's "Fahrenheit" was considered a great documentary by a great deal of people even if it presented not a single counterevidence of the main anti-Bush arguments... As I know from basic education, but also from the books on this matter, few hungarian points get around in Romania's culture and I suspect that this is the case in Hungary, too...
Now, I've seen once a british documentary dealing with the problem of Hungary and Trianon, using multiple evidences, questioning everything, asking rather than finding answers. You know what? I haven't heard one bit of support for the hungarian side, even if some of their arguments were quite logical and sustained with facts. But when you learn that each step you take in the direction of the enemy is a step backwards for your nation, you begin to dismiss everything you think it would harm the irrational model of a nationalistic history. In the great slavic sea, hungarians and moldo-romanians should be able to form a strong union... |
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| johnny_bi |
Posted: February 13, 2005 04:57 am
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Do you know any other academics , German for example, who studied this problem? |
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| Victor |
Posted: February 13, 2005 05:55 am
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Well, there was this idea in the aftermath of WWI, to make King Ferdinand I also King of Hungary. |
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| Indrid |
Posted: February 14, 2005 09:30 am
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there is too much hatred between the two to form a viable alliance....
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| Alexandru H. |
Posted: February 17, 2005 02:47 pm
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Sergent major Group: Banned Posts: 216 Member No.: 57 Joined: July 23, 2003 |
Hatred... that can be taught off by education and a common goal...
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| Victor |
Posted: February 17, 2005 08:18 pm
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Well, isn't that what we are trying now? We have a common goal: the EU and relations are better than they had ever been in the 20th century.
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