"Regele Ferdinand" warship was commissioned today

NASH: I would prefere some Ticonderoga cruiser , but that is what we have.
Anyway , Turkey and Greece also aquired seccond hand ships. In case of Turkey they got ships that where launched in 1972 , entered in Turkish Navy in 1998 .
As example ANZAC Frigates (based on Meko A-200 design) cost

Source The Australian news

C2: that is absolutly normal. Why do you think that a Romanian Sailor will have same allowence as a British Sailor. The UK sailor have thair salary, and romanians had "diurna". Only in wet dreams those will be equals. Anyway maybe the RM case was that the new government cut the allowence in half of what the RF crews had. From there the complains. Which is understandable.

Denes: I don't agree with that. I higly doubt that anyone sane enough would sell a multipurpose frigate in use with only 20 Mil $. I've read that article. And is full of mistakes. I am more and more inclined to believe is a plot for something dark here.
Anyway here is the quote of the actual price payed by Belgium for the 2 M Class dutch frigates :

Info from Defence Industry Daily

As curiosity here are the costs of La Fayette (dreaming I know) payed by Taiwan.

that's 466.6 Million USD per each unit.
Source FAS.Org

Anyway our "bribe" scandal is small puppy compared to the french one
Herrald Tribune

This post has been edited by tomcat1974 on June 13, 2006 01:17 pm

You realy don't pay any attention on what I write. I have mentioned my sources. Again for you : sailors on Regina Maria frigate.
Secondly , these have no relevance in our discussion (food, allowance etc). And even so, as far as I know the sailors on batch 2 (to call them like that) expected the same amount as the ones in batch 1 on Regele ferdinand. You make a confusion between the wage (solda) and daily allowance (diurna).Here is also the fault of the ministry which didn't stated clearly what the allowance (diurna) will be. But as I said, this has no relevance in this discussion.
I really don't care how good or bad the vessels were. Hopefuly we will never have to use them in real war scenario.What was my question? Why now this big fuss? Why nobody said anything about the offset mentioned in the contract where we will get back these 100 millions via exports towards UK (BAE in fact)? If one will only take in consideration this aspect will show clearly that the vessels costed basicaly peanuts. Re-arming them will cost money,true, but wasn't this the whole idea from the begining?

The MoD's disposal agency says Romania could eventually pay more than £250m to fully equip the ships with new weapons and electronic systems.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/armstrade/story/0,,1796377,00.html

You forgot to say that the article stated clearly : "...Romania says". To me the whole thing becomes clear. All these "independent" news/investigations come from Romania. I rest my case.

I really dont see what your case is. The title of the article is "We paid three times too much for UK frigates, Romania says", and it quotes the opinion of Victor Blidea.
The news investigations didnt start in Romania out of a sudden, they started after 2 persons were arrested in Britain under corruption suspicions. And I dont think the Serious Fraud Office in Britain reacted to romanian newspaper articles. Moreover, it seems DNA was actually contacted by the british SFO to conduct a parallel investigation here, to see if they can find the person that took the money.
I dont see what conspiracies you see here. Maybe the British want to kick their own companies out of some future deals?

The thing is that Guardian cites romanian sources , and here in romania more newspapers cites from Guardian.

I really dont see what your case is. The title of the article is "We paid three times too much for UK frigates, Romania says", and it quotes the opinion of Victor Blidea.
The news investigations didnt start in Romania out of a sudden, they started after 2 persons were arrested in Britain under corruption suspicions. And I dont think the Serious Fraud Office in Britain reacted to romanian newspaper articles. Moreover, it seems DNA was actually contacted by the british SFO to conduct a parallel investigation here, to see if they can find the person that took the money.
I dont see what conspiracies you see here. Maybe the British want to kick their own companies out of some future deals?

Also , arrested person were released. I did not said the investigations began from newspapers (check again my posts). All I said is the fact that these sources start to quote each other. Police could not find (yet) any proof that Georges' were paying commisions to marquant Romanian PMs' or govt. member. They seized documents and then they released the couple. What are they looking for is the route the money took from BAe toward their beneficiaries. It is really twisted. But let's wait to see what the investigations come with,right? On both sides. Then we will have a clue. ATM there's nothing but bashing two steel boxes lying in paid before articles about capacities and twisted parameters. Seriously,an investigation is on its way. I am also curious what this will bring.

Preţul vehiculat în presă pentru modernizarea fregatelor este de 600 de milioane de dolari, iar programul ar trebui să înceapă în 2008

http://www.gandul.info/2006-06-14/daca_se_dovedeste



This post has been edited by Imperialist on June 13, 2006 08:28 pm

Ha... I refused to read Gindul anymore... lots of crap .. anyway
British sources said it will be over 250Mil pounds ..but 600Mil$ is an exageration.

Anyway just look what I found Type 23 frigate a small refit of 36 Milion USD for mostly ... paint
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2005/0.../index.php#more

Lots of speculations (not to say blatant lies) from Gandul. Imperialist, you might be right here. Gandul changes the master after all. But is a bit late I may add. I will never forget CTP during the presidential debate in 2004. But that's another thing.

Imperialist

"Duke class (Type 23) frigates
Displacement: 4,200 tons full load
Dimensions: 133 x 16.1 x 5.5 meters (436 x 53 x 18 feet)
Propulsion: 2 shafts, 4 cruise diesels, diesel-electric drive, 4,000 shp,
15 knots; 2 SM1C (F229-F236: SM1A) boost gas turbines, 52,300 shp, 28 knots
Crew: 169 (185 max)
Aviation: aft helicopter deck with hangar and hauldown system; 1 Sea
Lynx helicopter
Radar: Type 996 3-D air/surface search
Sonar: Type 2050NE bow, Type 2031(Z) towed
Fire Control: 2 Type 911 missile control
EW: UAF-1 intercept, 2 Type 675 jammers, 4 chaff, 1 Type 182 towed
Armament: 8 Harpoon, 1 Sea Wolf VLS (32 missiles), 1 114mm/55, 2 30 mm,
4 torpedo tubes
Multipurpose frigates; moderately stealthy design.

Number Name Year Homeport Notes
F229 Lancaster 1992 Portsmouth FrigRon4
F230 Norfolk 1990 Devonport FrigRon6
F231 Argyll 1991 Devonport FrigRon6
F233 Marlborough 1991 Portsmouth FrigRon4
F234 Iron Duke 1993 Portsmouth FrigRon4
F235 Monmouth 1993 Devonport FrigRon6
F236 Montrose 1994 Devonport FrigRon6
F237 Westminster 1994 Portsmouth FrigRon4
F238 Northumberland 1995 Devonport FrigRon6
F239 Richmond 1995 Portsmouth FrigRon4
F80 Grafton 1997 Devonport FrigRon6
F81 Sutherland 1997 Devonport FrigRon6
F82 Somerset 1996 Devonport FrigRon4
F78 Kent 2000
F79 Portland 2001
F83 St. Albans 2002

Cornwall class (Type 22 Batch 3) frigates
Displacement: 4,850 tons full load
Dimensions: 148.10 x 14.75 x 6.0 meters (486 x 48 x 19.5 feet)
Propulsion: 2 shafts, 2 RM1C cruise gas turbines, 10,680 shp, 18 knots;
2 SM1A boost gas turbines, 37,540 shp, 30 knots
Crew: 232 (245 as flagship)
Aviation: aft helicopter deck with hangar; 2 Sea Lynx helicopters
Radar: Type 967M surface/air search
Sonar: Type 2050 hull, Type 2031(Z) towed
Fire Control: 2 Type 911 missile control
EW: UAA-2 intercept, 2 Type 675 jammer, 4 decoy, Type 182 towed
Armament: 8 Harpoon, 2 6-cell Sea Wolf (72 missiles total, manual
reload), 1 114mm/55 DP, 1 30 mm Goalkeeper CIWS, 2 triple 12.75 inch torpedo
tubes, 2 30 mm
Further improvement of the original Broadsword design,
becoming multirole frigates instead of ASW-only ships.

Number Name Year Homeport Notes
F85 Cumberland 1989 Devonport FrigRon8
F86 Campbeltown 1989 Devonport FrigRon8
F87 Chatham 1990 Devonport FrigRon8
F99 Cornwall 1988 Devonport FrigRon8

Boxer class (Type 22 Batch 2) ASW/surveillance frigates
Displacement: 4,850 tons full load
Dimensions: 148.10 x 14.75 x 6.0 meters
Propulsion: 2 shafts, 2 RM1C cruise gas turbines, 10,680 shp, 18 knots;
2 SM1A boost gas turbines, 37,540 shp, 30 knots (F92,F93: TM3B, 54,600 shp
boost turbines)
Crew: 265 (320 max)
Aviation: aft helicopter deck with hangar; 2 Sea Lynx helicopters
Radar: Type 967M surface/air search
Sonar: Type 2016 hull, Type 2031(Z) towed
Fire Control: 2 Type 910/911 missile control
EW: UAA-2 intercept, 2 Type 675 jammers, 4 decoy, Type 182 towed
Armament: 2 6-cell Sea Wolf (72 missiles total, manual
reload), 4 30 mm, 2 triple 12.75 inch torpedo tubes
Survivor of four improved Broadsword class, with extra space
for a towed array. Fitted with US Outboard ELINT system.
Exocet missiles have been deactivated.

Number Name Year Homeport Notes
F96 Sheffield 1988 Devonport FrigRon1 Decom 2003"

From www.hazegray.org. Unfortunatelly, this site is not up dated anymore.

Iama

First investigations . These were today.

Edit: nota bene,the meeting was behind the closed doors.These are official info,ones where press have access to.

This post has been edited by Zayets on June 15, 2006 01:11 pm

HEhe !
Prince charming,radu duda,till his neck in the affair!

Somehow I believe the subject will fade. As everybody could see, the (hot) subject of the day is Voiculescu . Exactly as expected,hehe. Whenever they have such hot subject they bring Gigi or Vadim or anything like securitate dossiers you name it. Are they very predictable by now,or I became smarter? . I strongly not believe the last one , hahaha.

This post has been edited by Zayets on June 16, 2006 08:08 am

In general you don't belive anything.....